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dexX7: there is
a forced delay between each trade, right?
pankkake: do they take fees? that would be
a very bad incentive
fractal: wrong bet is still
a wrong bet ;)
fractal: Luke-Jr: care to respond? all bettors agree that " Bets will not be cancelled because it became impossible for one side to win" before betting... I'd like for your to retract your statement that betting after the outcome has been determined is
a scam or ripoff?
pankkake:
a matter of preference it seems
pankkake: so instead of
a big butt you get two smaller butts
fractal: Luke-Jr: still waiting for your clarification on what
a 'unit' is on the forum post?
gribble: Error: "ticket" is not
a valid command.
fractal: Luke-Jr: At this point, you're still free to try and define
a UNIT as something other then 1M-board attached to
a raspberry pi.... but I think you'll fail... the thread is still there... go ahead.
fractal: its not rocket science. thats
a unit.
fractal:
a 400Gh Unit is whatever fits on 1Raspberry Pi. thats
a maxmimum of 16 H-cards. 365Gh. != 400Gh.. pretty simple. you're wrong.
Luke-Jr: I'm sure he didn't mean to settle
a bet with that
fractal: I certainly hope you'll agree that after the second reference to what
a UNIT is, that bitfurystrikesback.com has no single UNIT that performs at 365Gh
fractal: Luke-Jr: to clarify what
a unit is ... punin just issued an alert for ssh credentials on
a R-pi "The user pi and root both have some ssh credentials set. You should remove these so that no one can access your unit." See how he says that accessing
a R-pi, gives access to your UNIT? Only 1M-board can be plugged into
a R-pi, and only 16 H-card fit on 1 M-board. This means that the maxiumum performance from
a UNIT is 365Gh..
pankkake: despite having
a decent weight no one dared to vote No
fractal:
a UNIT is somehting that has only 1 Rasbperry pi
fractal: We've spotted
a minor (potentially major) security issue with the image that was distributed with the shipped units. The user pi and root both have some ssh credentials set. You should remove these so that no one can access your unit. (This should not be such big issue if you're behind NAT).
thestringpuller: even benkay_ thinks you're
a n00b an he's like the nicest guy ever
Luke-Jr: most likely they had
a software issue originally
thestringpuller: Bitbet in itself took
a very long time to become successful
fractal: Luke-Jr: source? not
a single 400Gh UNIT was shipped before Sept 1.
fractal: thestringpuller: thanks, doubters give me more of
a drive to succeed. I appreciate it.
thestringpuller: Lemme know when you launch your bitbet clone so I can make
a bitbet about it failing
fractal: benkay_: should I tell you
a few days before I launch my bitbet clone so you can short BBET on MPEX?
fractal: benkay_: however, I can tell you that your dedication to this fruitless discussion , of which you don't even have
a stake in, is certainly indicative of where your priorities lie,,, you likely won't amount to anything
fractal: I must make sure everyone knows that BitBet is infact
a scam/fraud/ripoff site
fractal: feel free to put me on ignore. However, the bet was
a no.
fractal:
a UNIT -- as defined by bitfury - is whatever fits on 1 M-board]
fractal: There are only
a limited number of 'Boards' that can fit in
a UNIT
fractal: hopefully that settles that --- but back to the UNIT and hardware issue -- I urge you to study what
a single 'UNIT' is
Luke-Jr: fractal: if that is indeed accurate, you may have
a case
fractal: Luke-Jr: I said the truth to the other party and the debate was going on for days before the bet was concluded.... I'm glad that clause was in there, i felt morally wrong for
a second there... phew..
Luke-Jr: fractal: For
a bet to be morally justifiable, the conclusion must be uncertain for both parties.
fractal: wrong, becuase it wouldn't have been in
a single unit
Luke-Jr: fractal: also, if you made
a bet thinking the conclusion was already final, I have no sympathy for your attempted ripoff
fractal: Luke-Jr: The bet also required that the Gh be in
a single UNIT
kakobrekla: again the unit by definition in the bet can be
a bag of cpus,
a box of bananas or
a handfull of shit if it does 400gh under the wattage
fractal: Since they can't provide 400Gh in 1 unit, as advertised, the bet is
a no.
Luke-Jr: it says the boards are falling short, and refers to the new 400 Gh total as
a single unit
dexX7: fractal: i don't ask about the definition of
a unit, but want to point out that 408.78 gh/s is not 400 gh/s, which wouldn't be conform with their advertisement which stated "400 gh/s", right?
Luke-Jr: fractal: number of boards was not
a clause of the bet
fractal: Luke-Jr: Why? All clauses of
a bet must be true for the bet to be valid. They weren't.
fractal: dexX7: yes, if it was contained in
a single interconnected device -- i.e. 1 unit
dexX7: fractal: would
a miner with 408.78 gh/s be conform with the advertisement of "400 gh/s"?
Luke-Jr: fractal: at best you can argue it should have been
a draw, but it's clearly within the judge's authority to declare it Yes here
Luke-Jr: fractal: and they delivered
a different (but better) unit than that. but the unit they delivered met the bet definition
fractal: Luke-Jr: The unit delivered didn't have an extra H-card... it was
a seperate unit completely
fractal: Luke-Jr: If the bet said that an Avalon Batch 2 Unit must do 60Gh, and you got 2 that did 50Gh each, does that make the bet
a YES? The actual unit as advertised didn't do 60Gh
Luke-Jr: the unit was advertised to have 16 H-cards, but the unit as delivered had
a bonus H-card. it's still
a unit.
benkay_: fractal: i'm going to bet 1 btc you can't ship
a betting site that beats bitbet's committed coins for
a rolling three month period
dexX7: following this approach
a "unit" consising of
a hasher with 400 w power consumption, but 408.3 gh/s would result in "no", too?
fractal:
a 400Gh unit is 1M-board, 16 H-cards, and 1 Ri-Pi
dexX7: fractal, i think you do have
a point. though resulting the bet in "no" would have been far worse imho. thus instead of arguing and calling it fraud, i suggest you should put your effort into creating guidelines or similar to prevent fuzzy situations like this in the future.
fractal: Luke-Jr: thats ok... but the hardware didn't perform as advertised, so the bet would be
a NO.
benkay_: it's pretty common for
a clause in english to be followed by
a definition
benkay_: eventually you'll tire of it, and then just be another human who whined about being scammed on
a loosey-goosey bet definition.
benkay_: fractal: that's basically blackmail, and is image-wise indistinguishable from the hit you'll take from being
a sore loser
fractal: benkay_: its not
a matter of being
a sore loser -- if i lost id be happy to congratulate the winner and move on. --- its
a matter of being robbed / scammed/ defrauded
benkay_: then you'd quantify something that the rest of us intuit, which is that it's
a negligible percentage.
benkay_: fractal: maybe
a useful thing would be to collect statistics on bitbet disputes
benkay_: don't be
a sore loser. it's really not attractive.
fractal: if it didn't say 'as advertised' thats
a different story
fractal: by all logical definitions the bet is
a no because it contains the word 'advertised' when reffering to the unit
fractal: [00:26] <fractal> jurov: thats not what the bet says -- it says as advertised [00:26] <fractal> jurov: AS ADVERTISED>. everybody seems to miss the AS ADVERTISED part [00:26] <fractal> 1 M-board, 16H-card, 1 R-pi. thats 1 unit. if that hardware doesn't do 400Gh, the bet is
a no
dexX7:
a bettting website without fees
fractal: and, i've already started coding
a bitbet clone with 0% fees, and
a transparent bet deciding process
fractal: it will be like
a thorn in the side of all
fractal: and if they refund, I'll be happy to write
a positive article about them making up for their mistakes
fractal: anything else is NOT
a unit AS Advertised
fractal: 1 m-board, 16 h-cards,, 1 raspberry pi is
a 400Gh kit or unit
fractal: just to be clear -- there was
a SPECIFIC definition of what
a unit was on the bitfury website
benkay_: right? solder it up yaself, and if it hits 1/1, call it
a day
kakobrekla: the bet allows for broad definiton of unit - like
a bag of gpus would do.
ozbot: BitBet incorrectly declares yes to
a no bet. Stay Away from BitBet!
jorash: Luke-Jr is sketpical of our claim that we can simulate QC, but in teh event we do, he is willing to assist from
a dev persective.
kakobrekla: yeah im having
a discussion now with jorash
mod6: oh wow. ya, that's
a hike.
mod6: i've been doing
a software architect contract job for the last 2.5 years. finally done with that now.
pankkake: kleeck_: still ASUS copyright violation, still not
a reasonable design for an asic (needs cooling, not cute SSD housing for gamers)
mod6: i think my cable modem is faulty and loses blocksync with the CMTS. got
a guy coming out today to check it out..
mod6: haha. my internet has been out for most of the week, so been
a bit hard to keep up.
kakobrekla: that last for more than
a month i ment
kakobrekla: thats why there is
a delay from input to output
kakobrekla: but the bets that last for
a month dont come out in the profits until they are resolved
mod6: is there
a div this month? it was due yesterday, no
Rulother: Looks like you took
a label maker and put it on the top side
kleeck_: It's like
a 10 minute mockup
Sol_: mircea_poescu: you linked me to your blog
a few weeks back. am i understanding correctly that 0.01 btc = 1 credit = 1 article, one time read?
Rulother: You got
a degree from bullshit!
kleeck_: We are looking into
a partnership with Dealco.in as well. So you could find where to trade for coins at
a reasonably price and near the best priced hooker, all through one service.
kleeck_: We also have
a king and
a jack.