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fractal_: nubbins: if the bet says you must get 400ml of coffee in your cup, and you get 2 cups with 500ml, they bet is
a no.
nubbins`: when you get
a big mac combo, is it not
a meal because it's not all smashed together?
fractal_: the bet specifically states that the form of the 400Gh must be in
a single unit. It is not. they missed on performance. the bet is therefore
a no.
mircea_popescu: eventually someone in samoa is going to say some miner is not according to obscure samoan law thus undelivered thus bet is
a clear no.
nubbins`: can i just get
a clear answer on one thing: are people who ordered the "400 gigahash mining unit" receiving 400GH/s+ at 400W, regardless of the form it takes?
fractal_: Luke-Jr: not in this case -- the language dicatates that
a unit is self-contained miner, not
a collection of miners, due to it being advertsied as such
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: nor is "unit"
a trademark - it's an English word that can apply to collectives
nubbins`: Luke-Jr: there seems to be
a lot of confusion around that point
mircea_popescu: lol. nubbins` would you return
a laptop because it comes with
a power brick and you ordered ONE unit ?
nubbins`: and therefore can call the macbook+phone combo "
a macbook"
nubbins`: I'm gonna introduce
a bet that Apple makes
a dual-screen laptop in 2013, and then i'm going to order
a macbook and an iPhone, and claim that when they both show up, it's
a dual-screen laptop
Luke-Jr: number of boards was not
a clause
mircea_popescu: fractal there'd have been
a number of issues still, yes.
fractal: mp: maybe if the bet was
a NO , as it should have been, then there wouldn't be any issues
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i have no idea, but i think it's
a ridiculous criteria.
Luke-Jr: and lol @ me being
a bitbet shill
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im sure at some point they were somehow packaged together. seems
a weird way to go about it.
nubbins`: see, if the manufacturer had taped both units inside
a shoebox, he could get away with calling two separate units
a single unit. but he didn't. the guy who received the units said "here are my two units", and then just pretended that the two separate units were in fact collectively the smaller unit
mircea_popescu: fractal need you
a link to the earlier discussion of laptops ?
fractal: Bunnyh: yes.... of course its 2 seperate units... Luke-Jr doesn't understand what
a unit is....
deizel: you either absolutely brought
a cup of coffee or
a cup of containing 400ml of coffee.. its all depends on the wording of the initial demand
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: in this case, they brought 500ml of coffee at 90C in
a bigger cup
deizel: "you must bring
a single cup of coffee containing 400ml" would be
a better analogy
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: suppose i bring you
a bowl of coffee instead?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what of the sentence "you must bring
a cup of coffee"
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: well, someone made the call that the bet's outcome was "yes"; that's
a judgement.
nubbins`: oh, so the guy who got 500GH/s and 267W actually ordered and received
a 400GH unit and
a 25GH unit, and then just pretended they were collectively
a 400GH/s unit?
Luke-Jr: I'm not trying to define
a unit.
fractal: either way, Luke-Jr's hypocrisy and corruption by money for mining namecoin.... should be taken into account when he tries to define what
a UNIT is
fractal: but noone who ordered
a 400Gh unit only got more then 400Gh
fractal: nubbins`: 400Gh in
a single unit
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: some actually got
a single board that does 400 Gh/s
nubbins`: put it in
a larger case, it's
a "unit". you're being pedantic
fractal: nubbins`: but they didn't get
a 400Gh unit.
fractal: <Luke-Jr> nubbins`: correct, although I don't know if they're physically connected ----- don't you think it would be important to find this out before drawing
a conclution?
nubbins`: If not everyone receives
a 400 plus
a 25, then you can't call the 400+25
a "unit"
nubbins`: okay, well, i see ~500GH/s and ~267W. As long as EVERYONE who ordered the "400 gigahash mining unit" receives
a 400 and
a 25, the bet is an obvious YES. If not everyone receives
a 400 and
a 25, the bet is an obvious NO.
Luke-Jr: fractal: I encourged wizkid057 to reinstate namecoin merged mining when
a new development team stepped forward and took it forward with Namecoin-Qt
fractal: nubbins`: they're not taped together... they're completely seperate devieces.... completely seperate units, because
a single unit does not do 400Gh
fractal: nubbins`: notice how Luke-Jr says 'both' boards... when the bet states it must be contained in
a single UNIT
fractal: Luke-Jr: How many H-cards fit in
a single unit?
fractal: Luke-Jr: Do you know how many H-cards fit in
a single unit?
nubbins`: well, after
a cursory, glance, it would seem that the outcome of that bet is an obvious no. 365 < 400.
fractal: Luke-Jr: personally i think its disgusting that you are knowingly merge mining
a chain with illegal content on it....
fractal: you can't defy logic without paying
a bribe
fractal: the only reason someone would disagree is if they were paid
a bribe...
fractal: theres no possible way that anyone could say that
a unit was anything other then what fits on 1M-board.... its advertised right on their website
fractal: also, I'll be monitoring the bitfury thread and waiting for punin to make more comments about what
a 'unit' is.... I will post all of these so that people can see that your attempt to define
a unit as something other then 1M-board makes you look like
a complete fool
fractal: Luke-Jr: punin himself acknowleged that
a 400Gh unit does not do 365Gh
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: fractal claims you're
a scammer; while I don't argue about that, I think you made the right call here
fractal: mp: basically Luke-Jr tried to accuse me of theft and stealing coins, based on some post from
a christian church website on betting, because he thinkgs i knew the outcome before i made the bet, and didn't tell anyone about it in time for them to retract their bet
fractal: Luke-Jr: and by the way, bets on bitbet aren't bets. they are
a contract, based on clauses in the FAQ, which read "Bets will not be cancelled because it became impossible for one side to win" ... this is against your morals post, which means everyone who bets on bitbet is not
a moral better. which means they aren't betting, they're engaging in
a contract
fractal: since i told all in the comments that the bet was
a NO
fractal: Luke-Jr: promote
a set of morals that are false all you like, won't make it true
Duffer1: i don't see how it's
a scam if divs provide more income than your buy in
ThickAsThieves: all companies are
a scam, cuz like 99% of them go out of business someday
fractal: all Mining company IPOs are
a scam
ThickAsThieves: <Duffer1> ThickAsThieves looks hot man, i like it
a lot (except the yellow color of nEo, bitcoin orange might be cool) <<< I like the yellow, but ultimately that's all decided by the marketing team
fractal: btw, i gave up on trying to convince idiots that buying mining equipment in USD that doesn't ROI in BTC terms is
a bad idea....
mircea_popescu: it takes more to make
a block than all the math done in the entire history of humanity up until 1900 or so.
Duffer1: ThickAsThieves looks hot man, i like it
a lot (except the yellow color of nEo, bitcoin orange might be cool)
mircea_popescu: well no, as
a fiction it wouldn't. once it's live i'm curious how that works.
mircea_popescu: i'd bet there
a lot, seeing how i probably have
a lot more shitslinging capacity than you can dream of.
fractal:
a nominalist view is the only way to decide it.
mircea_popescu: i get that in
a strong nominalist view you want this as
a no,
fractal: mp: if bitfury sehipped more hardware, they changed the spec, and the bet was
a yes..... you've contradicted yourself.
Duffer1: making
a database of every name involved is
a completely unrealistic expectation for any bet
fractal: mp: so then why was the bitfury bet
a yes when the hardware UNIT as advertised didn't do 400Gh? but only 365Gh????????????
mircea_popescu: and yes it's not hard to link to
a pastebin but it's hard to have it read.
fractal: mp: not hard to link to
a pastebin
mircea_popescu: this was well known aforehand, excuse me if i fail to be impressed
a year later.
fractal: "PR outlets and known shills specifically excluded" --- this is bad bet language... what is
a PR outlet? who are the known shills? this is the kind of bullshit bet that BitBet should NOT be accepting
mircea_popescu: fractal he who steps into deciding contentious matters without recourse for the parties is going to make
a lot of enemies of your sort.
Duffer1: the one about 5 tested samples before
a certain date
fractal: mp: well thats because whoever decided is
a fool, and bitbet will take
a reputational hit for it
mircea_popescu: The streams are also exclusive-ORed together and that stream's entropy is estimated in the same manner. If the raw streams appear to have severely reduced entropy then it indicates
a fault in that generator, if the third stream has low entropy then it indicates that the generators have correlated and are not independently gathering entropy.
pankkake: I tried
a thing to make audio an source of entropy, but couldn't get it to work
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know one of the bright minds that made asics or wanted to make asics but didn't get to it in time should make
a stick like that.
pankkake: "Please note that there is
a very long waiting period for Entropy Keys at the moment." oh well…
mircea_popescu: i need to stop following these links. i have people insulating me from the idiocy for
a reason.
mircea_popescu: "Why should the owners of two different exchanges spend their time and money to develop
a protocol for transferring shares? How would it benefit either of them?"
gribble: Error: "lastseen" is not
a valid command.
mircea_popescu: jurov "an unit" sorta has this "an hero" flavour to it. maybe it becomes
a meme
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