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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well i thouight we're discussing statistics.

ThickAsThieves: i didnt need to get beat to value learning

MJR_: yes i agree

MJR_: ^i'd agree

ThickAsThieves: i enoy learning on my own terms

MJR_: and i would say i learn more and faster

MJR_: i learn for incentives

MJR_: i learn without threat

mircea_popescu: i don't propose this as a practical solution, mind.

jurov: then i'll be unlearning obedience not 15 years, but 30 if ever

ThickAsThieves: i can rationalize it n all

jurov: some other things i knew i did not need, i did not learn

jurov: if they just threatened to pulp me if i don't learn... then i;m not sure i'd really learn

mircea_popescu: and i usually go "ya douchy, i own you in any way and you dunno what my degree is for. wd."

jurov: parents heavily involved... and i knew it is useful

mircea_popescu: MJR_ for that matter, people keep going "o, i dunno what good a philosophy degree would be IRL"

ThickAsThieves: yet i got a job that involved it and took to it quickly

MJR_: yeah, that makes sense...kids (and many other people in society) won't understand why things are necesssary....that's why you say because i told you so

ThickAsThieves: i remember i had this huge mental block learning geometry

mircea_popescu: the recent method of i dunno wtf it is... has kids... not able to multiply.

ThickAsThieves: i learn by doing

mircea_popescu: age honored way is to go "either you learn this or i mash you into a pulp"

ThickAsThieves: i do think we can steer our path

ThickAsThieves: admittedly i'm a bit more of an idealist, evolutionist

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well... you can't improve it the way you broke it i think.

ThickAsThieves: when i was in school i was smart enough to know i was not being taught the way that suited me

mircea_popescu: "because if you don't i'll fucking beat you to death" is an excellent answer.

mircea_popescu: listen, it's very simple. kid today as 5000 years ago has to answer a simple question : why the fuck am i learning all this ?

ThickAsThieves: i am skeptical the money cannot be used to improve american education

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hmm... i think i wrote an article about altman recently

ThickAsThieves: i guess they hate gays too...

ThickAsThieves: i also find it to be in contrast to the current republican agenda

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well... i don't have an opinion.

jurov: like yesterday. i had nice talk about how to be safe in bitcoinland and about all the heists

jurov: omg, i was only admin for 7 years in a little company

jurov: i plan to use it

MJR_: ThickAsThieves: i think its abhorrent, but most people would say that the issue is not drugs but rather welfare...that is where the issues mix, what does drugs have to do with welfare? (you could argue that one leads to the other, but i think that is a simplistic, facile argument)

MJR_: jurov: that is a great idea...i like the idea of remining coins

ThickAsThieves: i cant pinpoint why i dont like perfectly

MJR_: however, i think that they should do this to any ceo or board member of a company that needs a bailout

MJR_: but, if i had to guess, why are we giving them anything drug test or not...do drugs all you want and support yourself...

MJR_: ThickAsThieves: YES, i am curious too

ThickAsThieves: mp I am interested to know what you think about Gov Rick Scott, FL, wanting welfare recipients to take and pass drug tests to qualify

jurov: interesting stuff happens when i;m not around, as always

mircea_popescu: every time you boycott mpex I whip a kitten.

mod6: heheh. i just smh at stuff I read on btctalk

jurov: i like that plan, what do you say?

jurov: reading it all up... i thing i got a plan to boycott mpex.

ThickAsThieves: [15:01] <+Rav3n> ;;8ball does that mean I'm gonna lose big time?

ThickAsThieves: [15:00] <+Rav3n> ;;8ball am i screwed?

mod6: i dunno. *shrug*

thestringpuller: mircea_popescu I just realized you can use options as real insurance

MJR_: pgp is more important, but i think stunnel is good protection from ddos

MJR_: i like pgp plus stunnel...

topace: hmmm i use postfix

Scrat: i know postfix can

topace: yes, i would send through my business mail server (mail.lightbox.org)

topace: i guess insert emails to send into a database, and have another server pull them out and send the mail from there

topace: but i still dont know what to do with the damn "received from" header

topace: so i can deal with a bruteforce scan of the entire ip4 range on port 80, by whitelisting/firewalling the cloudflare IP's

topace: but i still need a way for tha tmail server not to add a "Received from:" header

topace: ill obviously be removing them when i switch IP's

topace: very little from what i can tell

mircea_popescu: i'll save you the 4bn lookups : mpex.co. 474 IN A 174.127.72.233

ThickAsThieves: i should have clarified to look at the M1 chart to see the spike

mod6: haha! i'm getting so sick of these clowns

topace: i guess thats one way

topace: Scrat: pelase let me know my IP, im changing it soon as i get the email thing figured out www.havelockinvestments.com

Scrat: topace: I can still find your ip

mod6: mircea_popescu: i saw that 'dawn' deleted all those tweets. glad you followed it up with this: http://trilema.com/2013/fire-in-alabama-lets-make-the-most-of-it/

tk993: Perhaps I meant a little battle.

MJR_: currency is shifting, "money" is 100% of value...semantics i suppose

seongyupyoo: oh i see

seongyupyoo: i will come back if i ever have any questions

seongyupyoo: anyways, i enjoyed chatting with you guys

seongyupyoo: yeah i'd like to see a distributed exchange also

ThickAsThieves: i dunno, i'm all for a distributed exchange

kakobrekla: no im just making shit up as i go

ThickAsThieves: i didnt even know most pools dont share tx fees, is that true?!

MJR_: i want to trade! i will roll up the bills and push them through ethernet?

MJR_: how do i do a p2p transfer of $155?

MJR_: i think the major problem with all these decentralized exchange ideas is that they have no concept of fiat money, and do nothing to solve that problem

seongyupyoo: i think that may be the answer

mod6: i hate the idea of coin 'taint'

MJR_: i personally like bitcoin just the way it is, i haven't seen another system which brings anything valuable to the table in my opinino

thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: hahaha. I'm sick of the retards.

seongyupyoo: yes two problem i see with nashx now is destroyed coins

seongyupyoo: i see, but still out of curious what purpose does it serve?

MJR_: equally pay out all participants i guess

mircea_popescu: i know it'd piss me off if i had to check all incoming mpex funds for this tho

seongyupyoo: i have no idea what shitcoin getting attached to a bitcoin means

asciilifeform: I wrote that before I was told of mpex (and before I was really 100% clear on how the BTC protocol works.)

seongyupyoo: well i'm not sure what you're saying

mircea_popescu: seongyupyoo that is a big problem. i imagined you'd only allow people risk btc, and so your service couldn't be used for 1st time btc buyers

MJR_: his exchange seems to be based on a ltc to btc model...which could work if i didn't find ltc useless

seongyupyoo: i don't know shitcoin

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i confess not knowing wtf shitcoin is or how it works.

mircea_popescu: i see it.

mircea_popescu: i think that's not so hard to do tho.

seongyupyoo: yeah that's another thing i have to think about also