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tiberiusiv: im argueing why would i go buy coins and have them stored with YOU
tiberiusiv: no i call it a junk fund becuase you are SMALL time
tiberiusiv: why would i store small coins with you?
usagi: Seriously, you're being retarded. You want to talk shit about how I do things and you don't know we deal in small denomination coins and haven't read our contract
tiberiusiv: no i merely stated there is much better options
usagi: The holders are public info on bitfunder, you can check it yourself. I own around 300 shares personally
usagi: If you feel the price is too expensive, perhaps they know something you don't know? I dunno. I don't understand it myself. I just sell silver.
tiberiusiv: yea again why would i go to you when there is more safer, liquid and easier to access options?
usagi: I sure hope not. :)
usagi: really? I heard they were shortt
tiberiusiv: why would i risk money with your junk fund when i can purchase silver futures instead?
tiberiusiv: now why would i want to own an industrial metal
usagi: Yeah well I wish deprived would shut up about how I am selling shares unbacked by silver, but hey, if he has the right to lie then I have the right to correct him.
ThickAsThieves: i have no interest in tusilver but i do trust deprived's abilities
ThickAsThieves: i dont want to get into it but it should be said that usagi's bookkeeping did not stand up to a public audit
seongyupyoo: i need to get going, thanks for all your helps guys. i don't know how this chatroom operates exactly, but i will be back :)
deadweasel: i understand the last part.
seongyupyoo: i see
seongyupyoo: maximilian, escrow does not work for my model because i don't want to be in the middle of people handling their transaction because of USD
usagi: i sell investment grade silver coins, like canadian maples, FMJ 1/2oz rounds, etc.
usagi: All I am concerned with now is providing 1:1 leverage with silver since I believe we are approaching a long-term bottom in silver priced in BTC
seongyupyoo: i feel it must pass the standard of community on reddit in order for it to be adopted and used widely by the whole global community
seongyupyoo: that's true, but i think in this case, it is important to gain validation of smart people especially since bitcoin community has been hurt with so many scams
seongyupyoo: i would prefer to have a system that is good by design than have to hire people to watch over it
seongyupyoo: well sending it back to blockchain is the best way as far as i can tell atm
usagi: That's what I did with my company TU.SILVER. I have a registered CA looking at the books, and a highly trusted community member providing operational oversight
seongyupyoo: if i just leave it as is, i have incentive to make fake accounts and go on a destroying spree
mircea_popescu: alrighty, i'm off. cya tomorro.
usagi: I don't think people are going to be concerned with that if your business takes off
usagi: so I would not try to justify how you do it, just state that you keep the funds "like a library fine" and leave it at that.
maximian: unless I've misunderstood what you're trying to do
usagi: Anyways, I don't like how you explain how you keep the destroyed funds, because until that moment you speak of the funds as "destroyed"
usagi: I assume you are from Korea? Have you been to Jeju island? I hear it is so beautiful.
usagi: I live here in asia you see.
usagi: Oh, I am used to last name first
usagi: if I may call you yupyoo.
usagi: May I give you some free advice yupyoo?
seongyupyoo: yeah i think so... :)
ThickAsThieves: maybe i need to read it better
seongyupyoo: well, i really feel that something like nashx needs to exist for everyone's benefit
seongyupyoo: and i'll post it on reddit again, get feedback
seongyupyoo: yes i will see this through
seongyupyoo: no i don't, i just made something called nashx
seongyupyoo: well someone thought that it was an issue, you're right it might not really be an issue. and it really isn't, but it was brought up, and i can see how some people might see that as risk
usagi: I'm trying to understand this, so, you want to run a mining pool?
seongyupyoo: i'll remedy that by making all transactions and messages between trader and such available for public view
seongyupyoo: 2nd problem was destroying of the destroyed funds, and i'll handle that by sending it back to blockchain as fee
usagi: i don't know what's going on
seongyupyoo: I think I can remedy that by putting nashx under my current business of 7 years -> http://mosaically.com
seongyupyoo: also i figured out a way so that nobody will ever have to risk 100 BTC
seongyupyoo: i think big fee would be fine
seongyupyoo: then i'd need to provide many transation id as a proof of destruction
seongyupyoo: i should start running a pool where i keep the transaction fee lol
ThickAsThieves: you can send more than one tx at once i think
seongyupyoo: well, if i send a lot of small ones, it would be hard for the traders to check their fund was destroyed
seongyupyoo: i identified 4 big issues from all the feedback i gather today
seongyupyoo: i think that settles it then
ThickAsThieves: i think its bad
seongyupyoo: i understand that, i thought there was another way to manually setting input and output
seongyupyoo: i see so it is fee
mircea_popescu: i think you'll have to read up on how bitcoin txs work
ThickAsThieves: you have to send an actual amount (i think) plus a tx fee
seongyupyoo: i'm just trying to clarify how to make a transaction
seongyupyoo: so send money from my wallet to my wallet with 100 input and 1 output if i don't to give back 99?
seongyupyoo: i'm not following you when you say make tx with 100 input to and 1 output
seongyupyoo: so i got that now 1 and 2 are same and you just send to an address that no one has key to
seongyupyoo: i don't know as i don't know how to do either
seongyupyoo: i'm wondering what ways there are to do 1. really destroy bitcoins 2. blackhole it 3. give it back to blockchain
seongyupyoo: cool, so i've been thinking really hard about destorying, and really the only way this system would be viable if the destroy funds are either really destroyed, sent to void, sent back to blockchain somehow
seongyupyoo: hi, i'm back with couple of questions
jcpham: hurt yourself reading what i'm reading
gesell: hmm... well i had a lot of orders at $88 that got fulfilled
pgp3: what do you mean $90... I don't see that anywhere...
gesell: no really, i dont see much on reddit and wasnt around at the time
MJR_: either whipping, sticking eels up horses asses, or making yourself pretty with makeup...how could anyone ever miscontrue what i meant?
mircea_popescu: rather than updating the article i updated the price
mircea_popescu: tbh i think he's just mildly retarded.
MJR_: mircea_popescu: avoid challenges that can't be avoided...hard to explain i guess, but some things have to be done, not talking about wasting effort
jurov: i see the roses i bought were put to good use
jurov: yeq. i went into bitcoin in hope to avoid some challenges, too :D
mircea_popescu: i avoid most challenges. what nao ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I'm more of a "reich der zwei" sort of guy
mircea_popescu: i've never met actual meat puppets.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't believe that separation is a matter of fact.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't know about you, but I would prefer a system that is up-front about the goal of separating people from meatpuppets, rather than pretending to do a million other inconsequential things
MJR_: i only feel happy when i am overcoming something
MJR_: i suppose...but now i welcome challenges
MJR_: i figured out package management...and all the other things, to get what i wanted
MJR_: so i figured out symbolic links (this was before iOS 1.1) and i figured out filesystems, etc
MJR_: i figured out how to use *nix systems because i didn't have a computer and wanted my iphone to do everything a computer could do
asciilifeform: well yes, and at one point I ran cables. there needs to be an escape hatch, and the process is rather inefficient right now
MJR_: i usually find that i learn the MOST when i have to solve a problem...no problems, no learning
mircea_popescu: i don't think you can safely identify someone that way.
MJR_: point is, i want the person at mcdonalds to know the difference between "only lettuce, tomato and ketchup" and "no mustard, onions or pickles"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the risk of sounding insufficiently misanthropic, i beg to differ.
MJR_: i agreer
MJR_: think of it this way, if schools produce education, i can go to one, and rely on the fact that i will be assumed to be educated
ThickAsThieves: i'm saying we need to at least figure out how to figure out improving education
MJR_: i am educated because i got education
ThickAsThieves: i'm not discussing stats, nor last resorts