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mircea_popescu: xmj it's hirschman's idea, and it has been around since forever in the sense of the 70s.
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm kinda curious of what you mean, cuz it doesn't seem much represented.
mircea_popescu: xmj: asciilifeform: you're talking about the old dichotomy. exit or voice. << how the fuck are the 70s old!
mircea_popescu: jurov well they kept the us mentally in check, so to speak. they're muppets in the fields of kansas, the best they can do is "we're better than x", very limited meanness. once no more x, there isn't a good reason not to patriot act all over the bed. i suppose that's the strongest reading of that.
mircea_popescu: jurov: ussr was definite exercise in proving eugenics futile... dunno how it could have not fallen << tell more ?
mircea_popescu: it was a very enjoyable experience to piss in the chalice in byzantium, looking forward to pissing i nthe chalice in rome.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this is why the death of ussr is a global calamity - even folks like jurov and mircea_popescu, who saw the underside of the colonial boot, might see the argument as to how << i certainly do not see such.
mircea_popescu: chetty: well at least thats a respectable excuse << every excuse is respectable to the one guy whose respect matters you know.
mircea_popescu: decimation samuel was in all likeliness a pre biblical wiseguy. so technically jahweh just copy-pasted.
mircea_popescu: nice, but relativism doth not work merely because it would be convenient for it to.
mircea_popescu: xmj: they have that elaborated there too <<, they being a lone guy who flatters himself that he's going to "continue" things he scarcely understands, from a purely theoretical perspective. because this works now, and the ample supply of tims and culwicks is somehow not self-defeating.
mircea_popescu: caesar is not much for an example. similarly napoleon, minus his pr, was not jacobin at all.
mircea_popescu: decimation but importantly, on the sort of populist grounds contemplated here,
mircea_popescu: and gauleiters, or for that matter bureaucrats of any persuasion, can never be the right people.
mircea_popescu: there's never going to be a solution for "all people", mind. what's at stake is for the solution to exist for the *right* people.
mircea_popescu: if not, inamushc as it's the only thing that works, it works best anytime anywhere.
mircea_popescu: if "best" is defined specifically so as to favour that, sure.
mircea_popescu: and until such a time, one breaks the hands of the opposition and beats it over the head with them until rendered.
mircea_popescu: jurov no, it works fine just as long as one has the upper hand.
mircea_popescu: if i have more friends than you, you're fucked, even if you may be better than me.
mircea_popescu: jurov yes. it goes like this : if me and my friends meet you and your friends, we'll want to fight.
mircea_popescu: armed ranchers. armed ranchers who weren'tfrom the ozarks, but had heard of the ozarks.
mircea_popescu: this is the life of the "theoretician", ie, the guy living in an artificial environment surviving on "grants", and of the child (the prototype of all contemporary scientists - he writes grant applications for to study the new xbox)
mircea_popescu: but once some experience with doors is gained... well... lol. ok nm, moving on to saner approaches.
mircea_popescu: "must has the state for i can't open the fucking door"
mircea_popescu: now- this is exactly the thought process of your run of the mill us citizen, or otherwise socialist derp.
mircea_popescu: i mean i clearly recall ths experience where i was falling asleep, and my through process in the remainder part of the brain was "oh my god what if i don't know how to open the door anymore"
mircea_popescu: but also you know, many things that constitute th "reasonable" for they locked up into a tower / locked up into a 12yo body / locked away in that early phase of sleep melt away as ridiculous once the full mind is awake
mircea_popescu: which is why free markets are so important, and why "regulated" us-style so pernicious.
mircea_popescu: people once allowed free markets turn their ideas against the us idiocy.
mircea_popescu: and conversely, once i'm about to invade the us, you can bet your sweet ass it will be to rectify ancient evils
mircea_popescu: who's about to invade the us on account of you know, it botching the bush election ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform join the crowd that has similar doubts about you know... bush's election.
mircea_popescu: these fuckwits couldn't qualify for a driver job for the classic propaganda spinners of a century ago
mircea_popescu: it is the curse of the contemporary postmodern world that most jobs are done by amateurs.
mircea_popescu: this is like asking "how long will a chess player tolerate the other's crafty artfulness"
mircea_popescu: dude, seriously. the propaganda war is a propaganda war.
mircea_popescu: "At what point will the Russian government decide that Washington’s mendacity, and that of its European puppets and corrupt Western media, render hopeless Russia’s efforts to resolve the situation with diplomacy and unprovocative behavior? "
mircea_popescu: this happens to be a great thing, it's why mafias are better administrators than constitutions.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with "real" conquest is that it sounds a lot like "let me just put the tip in". what do you mean "real".
mircea_popescu: the fact that they were historically more accomplished russians than the muscovy, and earlier so ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is somewhat like saying billy jean does not have the strength or will to form famblies - he merely fucks.
mircea_popescu: jurov supposedly russia refused them union or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: which... whatever, just how well they actually exist is reasonably unclear to me. how does slovakia exist or so forth
mircea_popescu: whether they're well organised or not presently has no bearing on whether they at all exist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what's the beef with the polish-ukrainian confederacy ? just as actual.
mircea_popescu: jurov ah yea. well, i agreed with his "it's factual", but i never took an absolute view of this factuality. just, as far as it's worth determining, yeah, that's what it was.
mircea_popescu: same exact play as they're currently trying and failing re bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: decimation the idea is for russian oil to be sold in the manner of oil owned by the us. it doesn't matter who gets paid, as long as the "pay" is in accounts run by thiel, and it all follows kyc etc.
mircea_popescu: ie, you both mean the same thing. if you allow oil to stand for the "root" account of the world, then yes it's petro-war.
mircea_popescu: these people who use that terminology SAY petro war, but ONLY because in their cluelessness the petro- stands for the symbol you correctly use.
mircea_popescu: decimation nope. in general, sane people would prefer the alternative. perpetually.
mircea_popescu: kinda how the holy roman emperor got ground into dust.
mircea_popescu: much in the way mpex has no home unless some territory with pretentions of statality makes an excellent offrt
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the reason that then the coke and the pepsi must bid for my allegiance
mircea_popescu: they'll do exactly what they can get away with, and no more.
mircea_popescu: it really makes no difference. no matter his hair color, a married man is a married man. and so no matter the "ideology", whoever is stuck administering two billion people over ten million acres is similarly caught.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so. they like to pretend like they are, much like the 11 yo child of a man who keeps fighting dogs pretends to be the master of said dogs for the benefit of any visiting classmates.
mircea_popescu: decimation the russians are unable to do anything in the middle east, as proven by their fabulous failures in afghanistan and cecenia. what's worse, they know this, and won't bargain for it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't have any issue with anything in that piece either, but this isn't the criteria. the form specifically is what one uses to identify these things.
mircea_popescu: isn't it funny how global-warming this sounds ? "we know there is anthropogenic bla bla"
mircea_popescu: He was a prime minister of Denmark who saw he could rise beyond Denmark by serving as Washington’s puppet. As prime minister he strongly supported Washington’s illegal invasion of Iraq, declaring that “we know that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.” Of course, the fool didn’t know any such thing, and why would it matter if Iraq did have such weapons. Many countries have weapons of mass destructi