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mircea_popescu: instead, he made one. by hand.
to spec as his project needed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform architecture long encountered, and
thenresolved,
this matter.
there are "problems solved for all
time", such as, "the roman arch". nevertheless, no architect
to date has yet written "roman arch" on a piece of paper.
phf: heh,
this is parallel
to
the unicode conversation actually..
phf: tinyscheme
then becomes a space of unknowing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the peculiar string you use does not work
the magic better.
trinque: tinyscheme at point in
time, no shit
trinque: and
thus entirely not "fits in head"
phf: well,
tinyscheme-0f2b8cc
mircea_popescu: you know saying "tinyscheme 4564387658734" is not for
this reason better
than "tinyscheme"
trinque: and
this is fiat-world division of labor where at some point it is "other guy's problem"
trinque: and so
then your program will never fit in your head
mircea_popescu: imports, not moronically includes, but re-writes
the code.
mircea_popescu: exactly how "search" is "a problem solved for all
time", but when grep got implemented
they... cheated it.
mircea_popescu: you write your lib with
the cannonical solution ; everyone else imports it
that wants it.
trinque: and inventing "file" and #include does not change
that
trinque: it is a fucking lie;
the category within which you're enumerating symbols is not delimited by file
mircea_popescu: i personally never got
the idea it's part of
trb or anything. seemed
to me more like a "alf's other project", sort of like
the ffz
thing.
mircea_popescu: you can't fucking have "nice
things". deal with it!!11
trinque: question wasn't (I
thought) how V works, it's whether #include is a useful
tool or a festering fucking sore
mod6: i
think both are reasonable.
this should be
tabled for now for
thought-experiment and real-experiment
time.
phf: asciilifeform: i understand
that but you're missing what i'm saying. you yourself said
that you're not particularly
trusting
tinyscheme. it has overflow bugs, it has all kinds of issues, and keeping its apartness insulates ~you~ from a certain amount of responsibility. it's no longer serving a purpose as part of a bigger
trb patch, now it's
this
third party "pedigree"
thing,
that we can sort of rely on, but nobody's responsible for etc.
mircea_popescu: i suspect
this matter requires more private meditation, because
there seems
to be relatively little common ground.
mircea_popescu: depends on mode, in one mode it builds all
the chains it can./
mircea_popescu: why not ? v sees patches off
the same
thing signed by you, imports
them.
mircea_popescu: how does he stop your stupid shit at X ? only rebasing does
this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wouldja
think for a minute. if he
trusts your key,
to get stuff included up
to X, he
trusts your key, so ends up with stuff included past X also.
trinque: because you are considering openssl as
the word openssl or whatever function you've imported and it's signature
trinque: doesn't
this run directly against your fits-in-head
thing?
trinque: I didn't read it; I just copied and pasted
that hash from shithub
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
two women which are cuntwise identical ARE STILL DIFFERENT. genetics,
their future, etc.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you reproduce
the shit
that ruined linux world.
mircea_popescu: if
they want
to add your patches
they do. if not - not, and fuck you.
mircea_popescu: NONE OF
THEM LOSES ANYTHING.
theyt have your shit rebased properly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand : you make zlib. project X uses zlib v 95. project Y uses zlib 94. you move
to zlib 99
mircea_popescu: even
the notion of "library" is fucktarded. you
take
the code and apply it
to your needs.
trinque: it identifies which is
totally different
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so. for instance - fitness of import
to codebase is not seriously considered.
trinque: the include moves concepts from one place
to another without enumerating
them. it's in
that sense a lie by omission
mircea_popescu: whether anyone for
this reason or for any other starts behaving intelligently is outside of
the scope. nevertheless,
the dumb behaviour being stomped out is, by my stick, enough.
mircea_popescu: there's not going
to be any of
this "o mom look at me i r coder
too i included shit from github".
mircea_popescu: if
there's ever going
to be an end
to rotten meat, is
through disallowing
the processes
that create it in
the first place.
mircea_popescu: so
then stop hanging on
to outdated capitalist dogma
that perpetuates
the inequality in our society.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not in
the slightest. you ever read a novel
TWICE only
to discover
that hey, i hadsn't gotten it
the first
time ?
mircea_popescu: for
the record - each piece of code should be read more often
than it is used.
mircea_popescu: stick
to one project at a
time, you'll be happy enough
that way.
mircea_popescu: read
the whole
thing, rebase
the whole
thing. copy it by hand in longhand 50
times.
mircea_popescu: you want
to use a piece of code in your project, YOU REBASE IT.
mircea_popescu: v exists SPECIFICALLY so you can't "save labour" in
this manner.
mircea_popescu: mno. ffz, a project you are working on now, has its own genesis. IT WILL BE REBASED in any possible
tree where it appears.