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Framedragger: let me guess, i should check the logs :)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: freebsd fell to rot long ago ☟︎
asciilifeform: likewise, slow clocks of the time made 'compilation must be a form of caching strictly' likewise unthinkable.
asciilifeform: point being, the higher-level stuff is interesting and useful, but the foundations are crud. mainly, cost of memory and disk at the time made orthogonal persistence a largely unthinkable thing.
phf: well, it can be rebuilt as a staging platform, sort of like instead of building own city, can just use the carcass of a roman settlement. it's not rome, but with some study can understand rome nature and work towards that.
asciilifeform: it was ~conceptually~ The Right Thing in 1,001 ways that c-machine is not, but not something that really deserves to be rebuilt verbatim (other than for study)
asciilifeform: ~95% undergrad hacks by weight, to get around the quite baroque hardware stack forced by the tech of the period.
asciilifeform: but smbx lispm was actually a terrific crock of shit, implementation-wise
asciilifeform: i can't recall if we had the thread,
phf: to be replaced by my smbx restoration attempts in 20 years time and 20mil shorter :p
asciilifeform: precisely that.
phf: obsolete technology to be replaced by ???
asciilifeform: unlikely to happen. unix is a half-dead thing, like pgp.
phf: i'm about to provision another machine based on asciilifeform's gentoo depotatoing, but i really wish tmsr had a better official distro ☟︎
trinque: thestringpuller: trinque │ mats: as far as I know that's yet to be updated with new data
mats: shouldn't 503 anyway, though
trinque: if I can avoid working on a btcalpha replacement I'll be hacking on the payment system for deedbot ☟︎
trinque: phf: were you able to connect to pg?
trinque: mats: as far as I know that's yet to be updated with new data
mats: ;;later tell mike_c 503 at http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mats&to=deedbot
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485707 <<< i think there are stricter rules for deedbot no? ☝︎
mats: yes Bugpowder i think so
Bugpowder: this is the L1 L2 thing?
mats: and neither is thestringpuller
mats: dunno why deedbot didn't try anyway
shinohai: "sluck.it: desperate to have the mEth community come together and clean up the shit they took on the carpet."
Framedragger: hope the crunching goes well
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 14:06 asciilifeform: though when i exclude files, i simply move'em
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485638 << btcbase is deployed using v (not quite fully automatically yet though), and there's all kind of support infrastructure in that folder that i don't want to diff every time, but also don't want to shuffle around ☝︎☟︎
phf: oh poop, i guess i'll have to work on hard bugs instead :/ ☟︎
thestringpuller: Yea. I don't think it was the version. I think I "broke" my chrome at work.
phf: it's such a simple feature it should really work all the way back to IE5 or whatever
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 12:29 thestringpuller: phf: random thought. is it possible to highlight lines when linked to a log with a direct line?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485570 << that should already happen, so probably feature is broken in one of the browsers. if you can give me name/version i could debug it, and possibly even fix it ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima bbl. if the various journos that kept wanting interviews do manage to find their way to the internet, keep 'em warm ima be back in a few hours.
mircea_popescu: point to the moon, vc tard will look at the finger. then gouge his eyes out, and he'll thank you for nothing happening.
mircea_popescu: also the lulz at the stephan tual idiot, "nothing was stolen nothing was lost"
asciilifeform: winblowz source ACTUALLY looks like this.
mircea_popescu: "|well, this line is because one idiot put a bug in in march 2015. this one april. these fifteen may. etc. it's all needed"
mircea_popescu: imagine the clever mit governance of their scamcoin. by 2018 there will be 10gb of crud. "why is this all here ?!?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: but the lulziest part : their "solution" consists of a blacklist to be baked into code forevermore!
asciilifeform: and correctly cross-referenced with the originating keys.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is because the mods MUST be deduplicated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's been very amusing to watch the margins of the impact crater.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: so is it then because you need to insert them sequentially, you can't paralllelize because if you do you won't end up with db which'd have "*all* moduli tested against each other"?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this has nothing to do with the gcd thing
Framedragger: i'll read that djb's paper soon now
Framedragger: right, you need to go through every existing modulus and check against it, i guess
asciilifeform: try to understand why, it is educational.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the queries can't be batched.
Framedragger: i.e. do the loop of for each as part of the query itself; but maybe you already do that
Framedragger: asciilifeform: if it's a regular rdbms i guess you can at least pipeline it in the db itself, e.g. https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/queries-with.html - but i imagine the bottleneck is not exactly there
asciilifeform: (the one and only actual bottleneck on phuctor is getting keys in - there is NO way around db query FOR EACH)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 13:37 Framedragger: asciilifeform: tar archive of all archives (3 GB): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_all_2016-06-20.tar ; checksums http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485617 << nice. these will stoke the furnace for a very long time. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform part of the "import a sig" chain, see what phuctor says.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 13:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, phuctor's becoming quite the tool in scoping out new sigs.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485610 << how does this work ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 11:44 mircea_popescu: "we made some promises, which WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION TO NOT KEEP!!1111"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485551 << i would say 'idiots who believed promises made by state are extinct' but this appears not to be the case. ☝︎
asciilifeform: rather than relying on flagolade
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 04:23 phf: which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485519 << this is potentially useful ☝︎
KGery: How do i request credidentals to Eulorum now?
KGery: managed to get deedbot to register me
shinohai: lol I just realized that gatecoin was a "partner" of slock.it
KGery: Okay, will try again after a while
mircea_popescu: KGery well, give it a few hours we'll see wtf this is.
Framedragger: (dunno how bulk import on phuctor is done but hopefully it's something pretty close to `for f in *; do ./import_this_openpgp $f; done`) :)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: tar archive of all archives (3 GB): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_all_2016-06-20.tar ; checksums http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt ☟︎
Framedragger: asciilifeform: openpgp'd ssh keys (thanks jurov for PGPy hack): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ - 13 bz2 archives, each of which contains directory with 800k-900k files (one file per key, assumption was that this'd be easiest for bulk import)
shinohai: Chesscoin: A giant premined ico turd with only 4096 blocks of scrypt pow
thestringpuller: amount available to borrow 140k ether
thestringpuller: lol. the loan rates on ether are like 0.001% for 2 days
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, phuctor's becoming quite the tool in scoping out new sigs. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: then they can have the Pot vs PoB holy wars, arraying anarcho-bureaucratists vs queer nontransgenerational feminists & vegans or something.
mircea_popescu: "a transaction" ie, "pay from these 500 accounts to these 500 accounts" is not ONE wire. it's 1001 wires.
mircea_popescu: such a worldy man as roger ver should fucking know what that costs.
mircea_popescu: he should try sending a 50kb wire sometime.
shinohai: well perhaps they shouldn't spam treatises on bigger blocks to the blockchain, thereby reducing wasted space.
thestringpuller: Which is a 48kb transaction
thestringpuller: And links to >> https://blockchain.info/tx/e688df0207f885aa9d4dc61092817cf17334f981c577c16f840b0523216cbb4c
thestringpuller: Congratulations small blockers, Bitcoin is now more expensive than an international bank wire transfer in some cases. Here is a $50 tx fee paid for a single transaction
mircea_popescu: much like phantomcircuit is still "contributing" to bitcoin, presumably new and novel ways to send the whole customer list the whole customer emails list.
mircea_popescu: much like that slock muppet isn't coming out with a "we fucked it all up, i'm unqualified to trim hedges" suicide note.
mircea_popescu: in the new normal of usg agents, "you only say something if it benefits you". so they don't see the point of saying "we lost it all", because what's in it for them ?
shinohai still waiting for leaks or for company to say how bad.
shinohai: seriously these ppl using "gotomypc.com" service who are one password hack away from having all your shit exfiltrated or ransomed.
thestringpuller: actually i'm trad marking that "Master Shill"(tm)
thestringpuller: Master shill till you get yo fill.
thestringpuller: "After researching Bitcoin, Buterin wanted to get his hands on some so he could formally join this new, experimental economy, but he had neither the cash to buy them, nor the computing power necessary to mine them himself. Instead he searched the online Bitcoin forums until he found someone who was willing to pay him in bitcoin for contributing to a blog. Every post earned him 5 bitcoins."
shinohai: mit hates him! Learn how to rape the dao with this ONE SIMPLE TRICK!
mircea_popescu: hopefully it bleeds out the entirety of mit's 13 bn worth of paper "endowments" and we don't have to hear about that shithole ever again.
mircea_popescu: check them out, THEY RECOVERED.
mircea_popescu: while they should be beheaded in principle, there's really no emergency.
mircea_popescu: well, if this were some sort of uncontrollable spread by vector like infection, then yes. but in point of fact they're only contagious IF YOU AGREE. you don't have to agree.
thestringpuller: hmmm. perhaps there is distinction between "harmless idiot" and "harmful idiot". Much like debate of useful vs useless idiot.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Groups of scammers use these idiots, exactly like the 'Ndrangheta used that Josh Zerlan muppet" << goes back to the thread of "Bernie Madoff wasn't to blame alone"; i.e. the muppets that vouched/pumped his scam
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 11:45 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough... there's US Supreme Court precedent to the theory! http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/
thestringpuller: for instance: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485552 << gets lost if you click it cause its at the bottom ☝︎