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mp_en_viaje: what's more, this has played out quite a few times to date, it either dies from inconsequence ("and so who the fuck are you and him anyways ?"), is resolved through some kinda mediation ("how about instead of fucking each other you do x and live ?") or else "you/him is a complete fuckwad, get the fuck lost, i can't even believe you can have this problem."
mp_en_viaje: anyway, to get back to the "recourse from negrating" thing -- you and him argue, i'm definitely getting stuck with making some choices. there's no out of this, and it doesn't matter what you load into "you, him, i".
mp_en_viaje: was a funny day or two w/e it was.
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which, anyone recall back in the bitbet pioneering shutdown days, when i proposed a process and ben_vulpes got all suspicious, "omfg, he aims to keep it!!!"
mp_en_viaje: lo those many many years ago
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 23:07:30 trinque: arguably torching coin in this scenario is preferable to reposessing it.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955697 << which is a major pillar of why a foundation was even contemplated in the original "wtf to do" spec.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:41:04 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955630 << it depends perhaps on whether one intends there to be recourse from negrating
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955691 << there's always recourse, from everything. think about it, how could a recourseless world work ? would it be anything like the recoilless gun ? action without reaction where, "in outer space" ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:36:59 trinque: it's worth mentioning at this point that I'm a deeply self-critical man. obviously the airgapped wallet approach is exactly what I did with deedbot
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955686 << but obviously the forestated problem is there ; especially ~with anonymity~ baked in. which is a problem, which i've discussed on trilema because of this, but it's also very difficult to digest. it's one of those "against-the-grain" problems, like the problemi of the 20yo not getting excited.
mp_en_viaje: not that i'm saying you're wrong in some kinda absolute way. but... well, gotta moderate expectations.
mp_en_viaje: there's the distinct possibility they do build such better thing, and the corp that lived with the worse one reverts to it, because can't tell the difference.
mp_en_viaje: (meanwhile, of course, if you go for the willing, well... you know. like curing the deaf, "i think i can hear better now" "really ?" "yeah, if i get really excited about it, kinda feels like i'm hearing". "bitch... please.")
mp_en_viaje: now, admitting you're good at what you do as only god himself can ever be, here are your outcomes : if you go for girls that would make great sluts, and you make them great sluts, what if they ask "ok, so ?" when you're done ? ie, they ARE great sluts now, where they'd have been just wasted potential before, but they... do not see it ? they don't perceive anything relevant has changed at all ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:33:15 trinque: build them a process that does not suck atop your tool, and let the changes to said tool flow from their needs and yours.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955681 << here's the dilemma : when starting a slutteria, you can either approach girls who would make great sluts, or girls who want to be sluts. sure, sometimes you might find the willing talent, but this is besides the point, that's her merit. the point is your process, and you're tooled for either one or the other.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:32:19 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955611 << rather, I favor the approach of finding someone whose business processes suck, and who manages a good chunk of money
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955679 << well, on the upside, considering they're doing it they can also favour whatever the hell they're favouring it, and then we see how it goes. that's how medicine is built, out of carcasses ~that lived~.
mp_en_viaje: this is how people have heirs, "you'll get a good son just as soon as she's popped all the kids she had in her and no sooner."
mp_en_viaje: is it, truly, that bad ?!
mp_en_viaje: because this seems an even more drastic & destructurating criticism of engineering than my own.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:30:19 trinque: we can't build towards the purpose of e.g. running game/browser/etc, even if in the end a browser or game runs atop
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955677 << this may even be so. but trinque , have mercy : in obtaining any desired result, the manager has indeed to await patiently for ~all possible~ results be delivered ? there is NO possibility of choice available, you mean, in the sense of none ~at all~ ?
mp_en_viaje: i'd say it's the one true abailable & possible reeaction of the original act.
mp_en_viaje: but i must say, there's something in no way short of fabulous in taking a woman to a place completely incomprehensible, structured in manners irreducible to her own experience, and demaning a choice, and then applying the choice. "you want this ? a you do ? ok, now drink it!"
BingoBoingo: Looking forward to the fresh Trilema reads
mp_en_viaje: that's it for now on mp's graduate beer alternatives course. till we get to egypt at least i guess.
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which i stuffed the sluts fulla boza yest. which they fucking love, above kvas even (found some utterly delish sweet kvas depicted on left)
BingoBoingo: Both visits were pleasant. Now that I'm not tied to a rack I'll certainly have to see Northern Latino lands.
mp_en_viaje: whatevs dood, ima be back in cr soonish, we throw a party.
mp_en_viaje: uruguay poppin' over there huh.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The shortlist came from channels with folks I've eaten pizza with this month.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:07:57 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I recommend you hop into #agriculturalsupremacy #asciilifeform or #ossasepia to speak.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955673 << well... in #asciilifeform to commiserate, i guess. otherwise there's also #trinque and iirc #spyked
BingoBoingo: Didn't even take a weekend.
BingoBoingo: Her buttpuppet Albert already dropped all of the low hanging fruit that strains Arg-Uru relations.
mp_en_viaje: eh, too late, the mexicans are already closer.
BingoBoingo: Lol, Kristina's the VP as of last week. Kinda wondering when Argentina will threaten invasion here.
mp_en_viaje: they both do this as it is, but it's "not relevant" because "bigger themes". except those "bigger themes" are 100% driven by historical accident and naught else entirely at all whatsoever.
mp_en_viaje: the argies'd be "tjhe biggest couintry in thr world" and "buying russia" while "impeaching kristina" while the northerns'd have been driving into canada for ciggarettes.
mp_en_viaje: possibly the most annoying part about argentina being argentina is that all the other-same zeks upnorth look at it and imagine they're different & speshul. while doing the EXACT fucking same thing, if coincidentaly the southern printing press had gotten bigger and the northern had stayed small when the chinese showed up to put white man's world on life support -- EVERYTHING woulkd have been the EXACT same.
mp_en_viaje: but whatever, right, "el campo hay que pagar tambien", the government's "taking care" of this world while they independence &c all over themselves.
mp_en_viaje: interesting how virtuous circles drive virtue an' the republic itself much like vicious circles drive sin an' the pantsuit itself!!!! /aesop
BingoBoingo: Have some local leads on sysadmin jobs which are in the getting to know you phase.
mp_en_viaje: so this'll double as a "republic's dc inventory & census, 2019" ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: It's grinding, have not yet found half of 500 without turning towards the US. Will end up posting disk destruction pics tomorrow as 2 WoT'd folks viewed. 500 DC's I applied to blogging may not happen without applying to ones inside the zone.
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which, how's the dc search ?
mp_en_viaje: heh, two years aniversary for you there huh.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Tonight was the "fin de año" gathering at the Cowork, just the same as when I arrived 12-7-2017. Crowd noticably smaller this year.
mp_en_viaje: kinda ~same lulz in lebanon these days. all the pinoy houseworkers / ugly-but-workable-2ndwife / smileyface-paperbag-whores are flocking at the pinoy embassy, "oh, they barely pay 1/4 what they used to, we're outta here"
BingoBoingo: Every now and then the ears catc the siren song of Portuguese
mp_en_viaje: i dun expect the present generation's ever getting out again.
mp_en_viaje: how's uruguay by the way ?
BingoBoingo: There is a tentative agreement.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The truth doesn't wear out. The screw however turns with time.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 21:57:33 BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955608 << mp_en_viaje Aite, I have a sound argument. Gets more expensive every time it is played. Seems to be the strongest in favor of mike_c if only he takes it. Waited roughly a day to give him the deets http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955594
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955666 << how can truth wear out with use! only lies are one-shot (in an ideal world).
mp_en_viaje: they worship, i whorship, just as long as it's not the workshop who the he'lls to worry sheep.
mp_en_viaje: i wonder if anyone in istanbul's having as much fun as me post morning calls to prayer.
trinque: arguably torching coin in this scenario is preferable to reposessing it.
trinque: if anyone, I'd want a man unwilling to steal, so help him god, running the money tables
trinque: it would call all my ratings into question if I could simply snatch the coins of anyone I negrated
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:25:18 mp_en_viaje: and no "fuck it, just keep it" ain't much of an answer, because if nothing else this provides the most perverse incentive imaginable.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955638 << also very much this.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:20:11 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955571 << consider the matter of services. this question pops in all over the place, alf was all over trinque re "what happens with deedbot if i get negrated". i din't invent this question, it's been recurring, mod6 asked me at some point something similar
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955630 << it depends perhaps on whether one intends there to be recourse from negrating
trinque: and it blocks using V to wrangle the mess
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:04:35 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955376 - to make my reasons for inclusion by reference rather than importing trees explicit, even if bad: on my own I was certainly in no position to pay the maintenance debts of all those projects, so I wanted some separation between my own work and them. As I see it now, the trouble is this doesn't actually solve anything if you still have to use
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955617 << it solves only the pretense of being "not to blame" while still being very much to blame
trinque: but what I do isn't thereby gold
trinque: it's worth mentioning at this point that I'm a deeply self-critical man. obviously the airgapped wallet approach is exactly what I did with deedbot
trinque: airgap protects the coin so long as nothing interesting ever happens
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:54:55 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955362 - that'd be why I'm sewing an air-gapped wallet by hand. No amount of software-level patching can protect 1000btc sitting on networked PC I figure.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955615 << so then your inputs to the process are haxed, and you go diligently dispatch btc to 1HaxFuckYou
trinque: quality of the output depends on how stupid the clients needs are
trinque: build them a process that does not suck atop your tool, and let the changes to said tool flow from their needs and yours.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:50:33 jfw: trinque: one approach is if money flows and wants patching support, to sell subscriptions covering some defined set of things. Do such clients exist? I don't know but seems like these tend to be large corps already in submission to USG and can just as well buy RedHat
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955611 << rather, I favor the approach of finding someone whose business processes suck, and who manages a good chunk of money
trinque: I don't think there's much daylight between our perspectives on this
trinque: we can't build towards the purpose of e.g. running game/browser/etc, even if in the end a browser or game runs atop
trinque: What is banned is any decision from your graphics stack informing a decision on whether I have the shitwad of deps your graphics stack demands.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:44:31 jfw: "minimal possible bootable" seems a slippery goal, you could trim down to barely any OS at all. But then some pesky user comes along and wants graphics, and TCP, and to run on recent iron and then what.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955605 << I don't mean to say everything from modern computing is banned.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I recommend you hop into #agriculturalsupremacy #asciilifeform or #ossasepia to speak.
BingoBoingo: lobbes: I do too for obvious reasons. Still more I hope he takes it for the less obvious effects.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje ty for weighing in. It makes my pitch stronger
BingoBoingo: And for the watchers, no... the price did not come out of nowhere.
BingoBoingo: Still waiting to see if he takes it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 12:44:45 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c Here's the strategy and why it is your best shot at recovering your coin http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=7sEi
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955608 << mp_en_viaje Aite, I have a sound argument. Gets more expensive every time it is played. Seems to be the strongest in favor of mike_c if only he takes it. Waited roughly a day to give him the deets http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955594
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:26:33 mp_en_viaje: so the answer will probably have to carve itself a space within these two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're talking about.
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955640 << I'm hoping mike_c takes BingoBoingo's offer, as I think that process alone stands to carve some answers
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:16:09 mp_en_viaje: getting back to the whole "among they themselves" : the classical form of the sq in extremis was something along the lines of consules darent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica caperet ; videant consules ne res publica detrimenti capiat. let those guys in charge of things make sure the public shit dun get burned. there's gotta be some commonality for a republic to exist in the first place.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:31:05 mp_en_viaje: if you'll ignore everything, then what's the point of talking ? if you'll ignore random things outside of even the possibility to prediction, then again what's the point of talking ? if there is some common ground, making at least some prediction possible, then what is it ?
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955643 << I see what you mean now; there will always be a need to suss out a commonality in proper use of various public shit (or else it ends with the same "what republic?")
jfw: Come to think of it, this stricter usage is compatible with what I'd read about what start-ups are, so not sure why I defaulted to the broader/confused notion for "involved with start-ups in any capacity", perhaps because lots call themselves things as you say.
mp_en_viaje: basically anything that's neither a family owned deli nor a blue chip usg subsidiary calls itself start-up these days huh
jfw: Perhaps not start-ups in that sense then? or at least I wasn't there at the starting of.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:54:55 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955362 - that'd be why I'm sewing an air-gapped wallet by hand. No amount of software-level patching can protect 1000btc sitting on networked PC I figure.