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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller
the derp in question can just spend again normally and his coins will be visible.
thestringpuller: cause
there is no way
TRB will ever enforce segwit, so
there is no way it can ever
truly verify a segwit output was spent "legitimately"
mircea_popescu: "she won't ever shut up. not ever. she
talks constantly. so i dropped my pants and stuffed my cock in her mouth.
thestringpuller: okay. so lets say Segwitz address starts with 'P00'. you send 1 BTC from a standard address as inputs into
the segitz address.
the segwitz address now spends back
to a standard address. but
the way it spends is with non-standard opcodes, so called "bastard unspent outputs". so it spends
to a real btc address "1something". When
TRB validates it's
the chain of
tx's it'll encounter
the segwit part as NO_OP. Should we just bury
these coi
mircea_popescu: guy goes
to psychiatrist, "doc, i need you
to convince my wife
to get mouth reduction surgery"
mircea_popescu: you know
the joke with
the husband at
the psychiatrist ?
trinque: Python sqlite3 issues a BEGIN statement automatically before "INSERT" or "UPDATE". After
that it automatically commits on any other command or db.close()
thestringpuller: that is someone pays
to segwit address, even if coins leave segwit address and are use normally,
they are now "lost forever" cause
they've "tainted"
mircea_popescu: i don't see
trb should do anything. i also don't see why any sane person would continue dealing with any entity using it.
thestringpuller: ah. but with segwit coins
TRB should
treat coins as if
they are burned?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: would
this be similar policy
to any coin
that's gone into a "3" bastard address?
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Still gotta poke more holes in
the VERified scammers. Needle em with words.
mircea_popescu: many layers
to a soft fork. i personally will
take any attempt
to use any of
this crap as an attempt
to scam and negrate consequently.
mircea_popescu: prolly more efficient
to simply blacklist / ban any customers
that use
the crud.
thestringpuller: mod6: I was just saying if
there would be a way
to bury "bastard
transactions" (this include multisig), under some
threshold of
transactions before confirmation.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: i was going
to refer
to it as a mere blip since only 1K blocks
thestringpuller: If your wallet wanted
to it could go further
trace
these coins and delay
treating
them and
their descendants as confirmed until
the last non-understood part was buried beyond some sufficient
threshold, it's simple
to implement in a full node wallet (we do
tracking like
that for 'negative confirmations' for conflicted
transactions in core now), but so far no one has seen a reason
to beyond
the basic, "ignore until confirmed" behavior.
thestringpuller: "For
things like CSV and Segwit--
The node doesn't understand
the new rules, but it knows it doesn't understand
them (due
to
tx version number for CSV, and
the NOP code usage for SW; both explicit soft-fork upgrade mechanisms in
the protocol*)...
this is already
the case
today and has been since 2010, you didn't need
to upgrade
to
teach your node what it doesn't know.
BingoBoingo: You know making
the scam
thing sound like it has a chance
shinohai: kk BingoBoingo &&
too much puffing?
BingoBoingo: ;;later
tell shinohai
Too much puffing and making
the scammers see viable, rewrite
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo <em>
tag not correctly closed after 1st soi dissant ?
mircea_popescu: it's so cool
to go read your article recently published in qntra :D
mod6: Yeah, something like
that. I see it spit out a Phuctoring from 'Tony Lindgren',
the
top
three qntras
then
the
top four
trilema's. But yeah, may have been
triggered by new phuctorings - but
the RSS feed didn't seem
to update.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it spit out
the whole list every
time phuctor had a new item i
thought
mircea_popescu: "Do not use wallet contracts or owner accounts of
those wallets
that were created by
the Ethereum Wallet 0.4.0 or earlier. If you send
to (or interact with) a malicious contract it could
take ownership of your wallet contract. Create a new wallet and move your funds."
mircea_popescu:
https://archive.is/UScxs << oh look, now
that
they got scared into actually doing some code auditing by
the half billion in losses
the usg accrued in one short week,
they're finding
things!
mod6: what's interesting about deedbot is
that it spit
that stuff out mostly @ ~5/min interval. but sometimes it did it ~10/min. at least by my
timestamps.
mircea_popescu: mind
that if it disconnects and reconnects it'll get ops by default and start over.
mircea_popescu: the game is played like
the game is played, if he's going
to believe what you say he has no business being in politics.
mircea_popescu: pretty much
the only way
to play his hand correctly, i see no alternative.
mircea_popescu: not
to mention how expedient it is for him. it is LOGICAL
that it'd be a single issue ; it's a forced mistake hilary & all will oppose. he can now speak of only one
thing, which is what he needs, and avoid hilary on all
topics, which he also needs.
mircea_popescu: it's a matter of strategy, not of engineering.
these are separate concerns.
mircea_popescu: besides
the point. specificity of diddling obliges him
to modify election mechanism.
mircea_popescu: well,
trail-less vote is much like "poloniex" or whatever : will print as a "result" whatever number
the owner gives it.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: need
to read logs,
then. so what's
the idea behind him needing paper
trail, and what does
that mean?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which,
the most incomprehensible part of it
to me is, how
the fuck would he not be putting pressure on
the voting mechanism. if he had any sense his ~only issue wouldf be "paper
trail voting or no voting at all".
that he isn't doing
this is perhaps
the stronger support for alf's read of
the facts.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i
think
trump actually intends
to end
the gop if he wins.
mircea_popescu: "well, you got a nigger elected, now get lost" sorta
thing. "well, we're going out of
the eu, so who were you again ?"
Framedragger: ..and i wonder about
trump and
teh republicans
Framedragger: am at work,
there's someone openly swearing about boris johnson downstairs (it's usually rather quiet)
Framedragger: oh yeah, i'm sure
there's
that sentiment, prevailing
mircea_popescu: but
the best part -
the french will finally get
to
try
their "louis XIVth lives!" notions of command economy in
the eu. it should be fucking fabulous.
Framedragger: well
this woman deserves nothing but
the basement
treatment, so!
mircea_popescu: there's no question she's going
to be working.
the only question is what basement will she be working in.
mircea_popescu: it's all a question of "who picks up
the upset streetwalker who still, inexplicably,
thinks herself a married middle class woman". will it be
the paki gang ?
the x ?
the y ?
mircea_popescu: the uk has as much a chance
today
to be
the uk of 1816 as
the state of indiana does.
mircea_popescu: the gpb/any hope or chance of
true british independence was sunk by soros.
Framedragger: i wonder. in
times of uncertainty, investors move money elsewhere. say eu continues
to crumble down, with states
threatening
to leave / leaving, euro going down. could gbp be eventually seen as a "foreign stable
thing" in europe? my bets are
that it won't; but it'd be a curious outcome
mircea_popescu: anyway.
the czechs are leaving also, possibly
the dutch
too.
the french will aggitate moar ; spain still wants gibraltar, and catalonia independence is suddenly an important chip in
thsi discussion, etc etc.
Framedragger: yeah i don't know how
to classify "general b2b stuff"
mircea_popescu: some will repatriate, some others will move in, but on
the net it seems likely
to come out negative by a coupla
trillion or so.
mircea_popescu: oh, you meant... yeah. well,
the
thing is,
trade isn't
today and hasn't for a century+ been national. corporations
trade, on mostly south asian shipping, with each other.
mircea_popescu: in
the reverse, while some ru capitals may flow in (much less likely
today, after
the inept uk support for
the cyprus
theft
than it would have been prior),
the outflow of continental moneys might well drive a 50% failure rate in
the city.
Framedragger: it really is all about
the germans now and what
they do, i suppose, yeah. i wouldn't
think
that
taxing london is *that* important
though, and in any regard uk
trading with eu is more important
to uk
than
to eu, it would appear. but sure, shit's gonna go down, will be interesting
to follow.
mircea_popescu: anyway. without
taxing london
the eu is not sustainable.
this is a foregone conclusion. i'm curious what
the germans do, but
the eu has little chance of seeing 2020.
mircea_popescu: they really should be
the 51st state ; same
thing in
the us - people
thought it'd
take a lot longer
to find someone even dumber and less capable
than bush. and yet...
mircea_popescu: funny what crap
the uk keeps pushing forth,
too. you'd have
thought it'd
take
them more
than a decade
to come up with a worse sack of shit
than blair. not so,
they found him by 2010.
mircea_popescu: o right right, "ukraine forum on asset recovery",
the usg-sponsored "let's steal shit" argentina-style
thing
Framedragger: and yeah, all
the bilateral agreements
to be done.. by whom.. fuck knows. (my plan was
to switch countries in a ~year anyway, looks like i'll stick
to it)
Framedragger: yeah no more internets with her, not
that uk currently has an uncensored open internet
Framedragger: heh irc client crashed, maybe with
the mention of
theresa's name
mircea_popescu: one'd have
to be an idiot
to
take
that mandate, but i guess
there's never shortage of idiots.
mircea_popescu: (also i don't see how anyone seriously imagines hilary stands a chance, but
that's another matter)
mircea_popescu: i don't see how
the uk is going
to have a government other
than bnp or w/e
they're called
this year.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i hope (for personal reasons) GBP rebounds
to some extent in
the days/weeks
to come. also looking forward
to independent scotland now :)