furuknap: I need to get to bed, I'm seeing wafer designs on the inside of my eyelids.

furuknap: If there was a forced buy-back... By whose authority would that happen? It would be according to Chinese law, I would presume. However, since the PT-holder don't hold shares, the buyback would be against the PT operator.

furuknap: That's my point. I'm sure the buyer would want to know whether they could buy...

furuknap: Well, it's really moot. I'll have my models in a year too, and even longer :-)

furuknap: I know that has been said. I haven't been able to figure out how much.

furuknap: From pouring out as much dividend as possible. I'm not saying "No" to dividends, I'm saying a pile of cash in the hands of friedcat is better at ensuring sustainability than a ton of dimes in the hands of thousands of investors.

furuknap: I doubt very many people realize all the factors in evaluating AM sustainability and are just seeing huge dividends, expecting that to stick around forever.

furuknap: Really, it doesn't bother me if people mindlessly run in one direction, but I'm somewhat bothered by having information that may help people not get burned. If they still want to stampede, fine.

furuknap: Oh, I agree. People bay hundreds of dollars for an iPhone and that is just a piece of shit.

furuknap: I was thinking something like that, but really, is isn't required. The numbers won't change so they are the same in three months or a year and will just show the same results.

furuknap: Besides, it's mostly targeted at surviving 2016. Most 'investors' now don't see past the next dividend. I doubt it will help anyone.

furuknap: It's not a 'secret' per se, but if I'm right and publish in advance, I'll just be charged with trying to manipulate the price. I have no intention of manipulating anything. I have no insider information, just an analysis that shows there is no way for investors to recouperate their investments at these levels.

furuknap: Heh, yeah, that'd stay secret for about, I don't know, 10ns?

furuknap: Damn, I so want to publish my numbers and model. I'll hold back, though. If I'm right, it's easily proven after the fact. If I'm wrong, it won't help anyone.

furuknap: I think a lot of the people right now are missing something, possibly vital too.

furuknap: I realize that.

furuknap: Dammit! I just sold one of my GPUs to buy LTC and didn't get the cash in time.

furuknap: I agree, and to me, it's a red flag.

furuknap: I think I heard why DT runs his PT for free sometime, but can't for the life of me remember what it was.

furuknap: I understand there is work involved, but I saw the regular PT numbers and thought it would be much more interest in the 100PTs.

furuknap: Of course, I have no reason not to trust you, but you still don't have to hold personal shares, which is totally different from holding shares from someone else and routing the dividends.

furuknap: I hope not :-)

furuknap: Yeah, because the volume should be much higher. I realize it didn't become as huge as when I suggested it.

furuknap: Yeah, I just thought it was way bigger in volume.

furuknap: I realize it's just the dividends. Thought it had higher volumes.

furuknap: TAT, could you tell me so I don't have to calculate myself, how much you get from the 5% in dividends on AM-PT?

furuknap: Everything seems to point to 120+ shortly. Sadly, I chickened out on the Dwolla dip by not buying. I believe I will be hitting myself on the head for that.

furuknap: Wall at 118? I see 750 there if you're talking Gox?

furuknap: I bet an otion exercise :-)

furuknap: Ah, OK. Well, the more I read, the more it seems that there's just way too much effort here to scam someone for peanuts.

furuknap: Ah, I thought you meant something along those lines. I thought you said the only relationship was that 100TH claimed to have purchased Bitfury chips.

furuknap: Here's Bitfury with some more technical details on his chip, in the 100TH thread. MP, I doubt he would post there so casually if he had no relationship with 100TH. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1509922#msg1509922

furuknap: Yeah, that was genious, and I mean that. Realizing how complex it would be, he got an old beat-down horse and bet that there wouldn't be any other horses in the race.

furuknap: mp, absolutely, which is why I have faitrh in the operation if they can calm down a bit.

furuknap: I trust his honesty. A bit skeptical about business abilities.

furuknap: I agree, but I'm sure hell post sales numbers after a while.

furuknap: Yeah, but they need to sell a hell-uva-lot of them and so far the only order I've seen is a few hundred from a US group buy.

furuknap: It's been flat for about a week, though, and I think I read they had problems finding stable space, although that might be earlier.

furuknap: I think they're either pushing or have poassed 20 THs.

furuknap: Yeah, I'll see if I can find the reference, I have about 28 tabs up right now.

furuknap: I've only seen him post in Russian, thought, and my Russian is a bit rusty.