mircea_popescu: oh, and to play a little "guess the argentine" : "To learn English you must begin by thrusting the jaw forward, almost clenching the teeth, and practically immbilizing the lips. In this way the English produce the series of unpleasant little mews of which their language consists."

mircea_popescu: always good to have things to build on just in case.

mircea_popescu: nothing happened, it's there.

mircea_popescu: icians, and also why they created the jwz fantasy.)

mircea_popescu: (amusingly enough, the best source re that "ancient observations" is probably ~= patristics. the substance of the eternal soul, the nature of sin, all that good stuff. for all its trite-ification in the hands of the same sort of people that also created family-friendly shakespeare, it is a very powerful philosophical item. fact remains agency is an imposition upon the gnosis, which is why intelligent people dun wanna be polit

mircea_popescu declines any credit or responsibility for the matter. for one thing, ancient observations, for the other, not my fault they hold.

mircea_popescu: ie, put on the spot, got in "the zone", sprouted some thing, audience clapped, the end.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed. quite possibly lysenko himself made it up as he went, like trad. curt buffoon.

mircea_popescu: (and i don't specifically mean his wife, here. i mean everything, the demands "not getting facebook account banned" or w/e, and paying taxes, and not running red lights or pissing on cop's shoes etc. the divine cunt.)

mircea_popescu: nevertheless... gotta placate the cunt he's chained to.

mircea_popescu: i guess so. plenty of "lysenkoist" dudes were as convinced of the entire shitstack as yarvin is convinced the usg will survive.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile, what majorana or minorana said or didn't say, inasmuch as it's true, has little to do with anything but that - its truth.

mircea_popescu: because the shit contents is due, as we discussed, to the imperatives of the flesh. if you're an agent and you wanna survive which means you wanna survive and are an agent, you're stuck with the shit.

mircea_popescu: we were discussing how "X is full of shit", but that X took values from a field of AGENTS, which is to say the people to whom history has meaning. and it was observed that the grave is the only cure for their shit contents. then you moved to talking about Y, but Y are no longer X, instead they are taken from a field of non-agents, historical memories.

mircea_popescu: well, you switched terms. the living are fulla shit.

mircea_popescu: when he's dead, he'll destraighten or how that went.

mircea_popescu: live things are full of shit. this is what the terms mean.

mircea_popescu: paradigm secretion is an act of the endocrine gland that is called "brain". and it works in science, with the eternal and irrepudiable evidence of nature right in front of eyes.

mircea_popescu: link this to schwarz's evidence. what history ?

mircea_popescu: but hark that once your notion of truth is unformulable you lost what tu quoque claimed is the basis for science, id est, reproducibility.

mircea_popescu: ha. your notion of truth is either not complete, or not formulable. you seem to favour the later, which is why you keep ending in trouble in discussions here.

mircea_popescu: irrational has plenty of space in it for many different things.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody was talking about that.

mircea_popescu: of course meta-rational is a thing. but sovereign reason is a very different thing from mere "reason" as peddled by the feminine usg & friends.

mircea_popescu: meta-rational is no more rational than complex numbers are.

mircea_popescu: hence stuff like specificity of diddling. hence all sorts of things.

mircea_popescu: this is strategically disastrous for any living thing. imagine, cod taking "the correct route". this means -> scania. ouch. imagine person making rsa key, taking the "correct" key. ie what, everyone takes the same primes, because they're the largest primes that fit in the notation and so "best" and so "rational choice". it's exactly a matter of the "inverse of safety from numbers" thing we discussed recently.

mircea_popescu: anyway, since we got the logs back, here's why : truth is but one.

mircea_popescu: religious thinking wtf.

mircea_popescu: how's this different from "i don't accept the premise earth is not at center of world" ?

mircea_popescu: you can't accept the premise as a theoretical construct to examine ?

mircea_popescu: truth is a thing in engineering. it has ~no bearing on the affairs of mankind. do you know why ?

mircea_popescu: and so that's the point there, not whether google did or did not create the item in question. but whether robotized control of little black discs is good enough to push out the human. that - they showed to be.

mircea_popescu: hey, who's gonna call the bluff ?

mircea_popescu: bluffing - is "cheating", to the noob. however, bluffing when the opponent can't afford to call, ie, doesn't have the resources to take advantage, is simply history.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe we disagree on terminology.

mircea_popescu: which is the problem here - not that they cheated or not. that they can't be caught. which they can't. end of story.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's basically this crane that spins. the corners aren't cultivated, but the crane tends to the crop 100%

mircea_popescu: neither does the korean.

mircea_popescu: yes, the computer doesn't work.

mircea_popescu: which is the story of lee sedol.

mircea_popescu: even as they don't work. but guard doesn't work even worse.

mircea_popescu: it is cheaper for you to install a camera and "image recognition" than to hire a guard ; and the results ARE BETTER.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is besides the point. i did not say "computer". i said control.

mircea_popescu: EVEN IF you lose the difference between pi r^2 and 4r^2

mircea_popescu: best example though : cereal crops. are you aware it is today more productive to build them in the pillar system than in the traditional plowing system ?

mircea_popescu: apple orchards now are constructed for robot. ie, tree isn't even recognizable tree anymore, but this lengthy thread on a stick.

mircea_popescu: today control is even cheaper than power. and the basis for humanity is vested in a % of a %, rather than "men" or "everyone patient enough"

mircea_popescu: but that period ended. and with it - all the momentary crap deluding itself with permanence.

mircea_popescu: and so all the nonsense from the various exalted diet technichians, engels and carnegey and whatnot.

mircea_popescu: THEN steam power rendered actual muscle irrelevant, but control wasn't good enough to supplant people. and so there was a brief period, almost a century in length, during which "humanity" ie, the ability to finely control complex mechanisms, was the basis of humanity.

mircea_popescu: anyway, the point here is : that for as long as "upper body strength" was the bottleneck limiting human civilisation, you had male citizenship. had females been advantaged by nature there, you'd have had female citizenship. they aren't, it's a cruel joke, watch slavegirls trying to build up muscle and weep sometime.

mircea_popescu: it is a disease of the dungeon dweller.

mircea_popescu: you, personally, today, couldn't catch tb if you tried.

mircea_popescu: even if they were, it'd be more the fault of your mom not coming from a sufficiently slutty line of whores, to give you good immunity matrix,

mircea_popescu: other than pancreatic cancer, that one scythed lady which cost us both jobs and mcculler, there's ~nothing. and you don't catch that.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do i catch ? syphilis ? not that i ever did, but it's a quintuple shot of biseptol. tuberculosis ? lmao. you can't even catch tuberculosis, there's a "must be this poor to ride" that train. what, exactly ? lice is directly visible.

mircea_popescu: aite next i go ima try an' keep my mind on the road.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course i do! what, where the fuck do you pick up fucktoys, huh ?

mircea_popescu: do you want to see it ?

mircea_popescu: i was too preoccupied otherwise to take pictures of street - with channel down middle, like 1600 spain!

mircea_popescu: THEN it was a certain way. but then and then only, at no point prior and - if trhere's any mercy in the heavens - at no point ulterior.