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Chaaang-Noi: i dont know enough about the other one
Chaaang-Noi: i think cog might be a bit over valued, but im using it as a hedge
Chaaang-Noi: i dont think AM is over valued
Chaaang-Noi: i talk with him on skype
fiat500: i voted on those already
Chaaang-Noi: honestly i dont know a whole lot about it other than what i have told you guys
Chaaang-Noi: read them i guess first
Chaaang-Noi: i dont know, he has 4 motions up already
Chaaang-Noi: i dont know, im just a 5% stock holder, i dont pick what happens
Chaaang-Noi: i just have low ball bids and some times people sell into them, but not for months
furuknap: I don't see why they couldn't used the raised funds to make purchases already, though. I mean, if a great deal comes up and they're short a few bonds, they lose out even if they have the funds at hand.
Chaaang-Noi: im not sure the orders ahve been placed, i think this is fund rasing
Chaaang-Noi: yeah i hold cog as a hedge against my AM, cuz they are heavy avalon and BFL
furuknap: I did, but it wasn't entirely clear when the orders were placed.
Chaaang-Noi: but he has been honest and hard working, i personally trust him
Chaaang-Noi: i think 18 now
Chaaang-Noi: i personally dont hold any, but might buy some later
Chaaang-Noi: i bet an options contractr
furuknap: Nah, I don't gamble, and that applies to my investing too. Boring, yeah, but I sleep well with open positions.
furuknap: I don't play pokwer so I have no idea what that means :-)
furuknap: In fact, like I showed in the updated question today, you have a 10x higher profitability in $ if the price goes down.
fiat500: i get your argument, im just saying my value denominated in btc is not important to me
fiat500: the higher x is the more profitable i am
fiat500: i mean i am not simply a holder, there is a positive delta of coins worth $x * n being generated
fiat500: true, but i am generating coins for myself
fiat500: i for one plan on converting to fiat right away
truffles: i dont like that btc's fate is so tied to fiat
furuknap: I mean BTC prices in fiat or whatever other currency or holding you have. Same applies if you hold LTC.
truffles: arent btc's constant? i dont get the 40 to 1k thing
mircea_popescu: "My partner and I had reservations for 6:45. By 9:30, we still hadn't received our pizza."
inhies: furuknap: i like that quote
furuknap: I worry because others are greedy. I try to be greedy when others worry.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't worry by now.
furuknap: Oh, I know. The herd thing is dangerous. I just hope it doesn't taint BTC assets in general as bubble shares. I fear the train may have left for AM.
mircea_popescu: furuknap i'll tell you what has driven the price :
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 yeah, in pt shares. i see it /sarcasm
mircea_popescu: i don't see it.
furuknap: Actually, I hope this buyer doesn't get burned more than they can survive.
furuknap: I hope this buyer has a lot of spare money and really, really doesn't mind losing it.
furuknap: I understand. Maybe someone else will jump on it, then :-)
mircea_popescu: if i ever list ltc it will be because i'm moving off btc.
mircea_popescu: i'm a monomaniac sort of guy. i idle in one irc channel only. i handle one cryptocurrency only.
furuknap: When I talk to financial people, they tend to argue that "well, buying hardware is so much of a hassle, and what if it breaks? You're left with nothing!" not realizing how a miner with some hardwre competence can fix or replace hardware as easily as they purchase an option or future.
mircea_popescu: really slow uptake. i guess that's what you get when something starts as a hobbist market : hobbists.
mircea_popescu: myeah. that's why i've made the futures etc.
furuknap: That is, and I'm not joking, the topic of my next article :-) Miners have a limited understanding of finance, just as financial people have a limited understanding of mining. When I talk to miners, they seem to argue that "just holding coins is really bad if the price drops while a miner can always resell his hardware" and not understanding anything about hedges in finance.
furuknap: I'm not sure it is as random as that. I wrote the article based on a lot of questions asked on the Reddit forums and people universally tended to completely ignore the effect of price fluctuations of their gear. One miner had just bought around 50 GPUs and hadn't realized that when the price of LTC dropped, he actually earned more from just having that gear than from mining.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it helps if you contradict something germane to the issue rather than something random, i think.
mircea_popescu: this is true, and i do it all the time myself.
furuknap: I see. I'm fine with using provocative wording to cause a reaction. People tend to remember (if not agree) with statements that strongly contradict their perception of reality.
furuknap: Yup, I get what you're saying about that :-)
inhies: furuknap: i see teh problem
inhies: furuknap: yea i see
furuknap: I'm trying to understand what I did wrong, definitely. Talking about getting married as an investment doesn't do that.
mircea_popescu: i can't discern if your motivation is to understand what you did wrong or to show the world how clever you are. which is it ?
furuknap: Mining equipment is such a commodity. In fact, that's why I used the currency trick in the first section.
furuknap: No? Definitely not sure I'm following you, unless you're talking about a wife being a commodity that can be resold at a lower price point and you have to pay to get her.
furuknap: Then I'm not following you.
mircea_popescu: no, i don't mean by using unrelisting numbers.
mircea_popescu: i don't think that's very well presented.
furuknap: I updated my article on why Mining investments is always a bet that prices will drop. Added a new question: http://coin.furuknap.net/why-investing-in-mining-is-always-a-bet-that-prices-will-drop/
inhies: not sure why i have so much more data than you though
inhies: yea i think thats when mine started too
parseval: I like those jsfiddles
inhies: so did i
parseval: I need to go pull the rest of the data from gox still
parseval: I've only got 4,745k, but that is only counting up to April 29th
inhies: which is alright i guess, but hourly, daily, etc would be nice
parseval: I've been planning to add one, I hadn't thought about adjustable periods yet, but I like the idea
parseval: No, not yet.. I think the largest dataset is less than 150k
inhies: i guess theres no need for http://www.highcharts.com/stock/demo/lazy-loading
inhies: i was going to ask how you parsed the js object that bitfunder serves
furuknap: It's actually very fancy because it does exactly what someone needs. I like it.
inhies: this is the site i was thinking of
inhies: i raelly like highcharts
parseval: I guess I could try it in wine though
inhies: i use it for backtesting my bot
furuknap: I see.
parseval: Sierracharts is nice, but I'd rather make something web based
furuknap: Ah... Sierracharts has some nice analysis features. If you do C++, it shouldn't be too hard to map that there. I've been pondering writing a BTCT trade engine module, but I realized it's 20 years since I wrote C++, so I skipped it :-)
parseval: I'm going to use it in my charts, initially. I want to see the dollar value of these securities over time
inhies: i need to re-do my scraper
inhies: i downloaded it all from bitcoin charts the other day
parseval: I finally finished parsing all of the Gox trade data up through April
ThickAsThieves: 'can u help me out understand the whole thing about buying shares of the asicminer , i see that u offer some PT shares, im not very frindly with all that, i wanna know how to make money with those since im looking to invest some btc around.'
Chaaang-Noi: i sold a good lot at 2.089
ThickAsThieves: i sold some AM for 2.19512 earlier
Chaaang-Noi: TAT i think we fail at auction
inhies: i like it
savetheinternet: then sold at 1.2 because i thought that was extremely high
savetheinternet: and i bought a LOT
savetheinternet: i bought at 0.8
inhies: on that note, i still have all my shares :p
kakobrekla: ftw http://i.imgur.com/ZmHekEI.png
jurov: my paranoid hypothesis is someone spotted my bot which i relaunched on may 10 and is sniping it, but dunno why
mircea_popescu: i've never kept very close tabs on it
Chaaang-Noi: and i will be up in 12 hours
Chaaang-Noi: i was honestly thinking about buying all of them
truffles: oh i thought he did another auctio
ThickAsThieves: Chaang-Noi stop bidding on my damn auction! I wanna snipe it!