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mircea_popescu: neither of
these
two form part of correctness ;
the consideration of material strength above does.
mircea_popescu: on
the other hand, considerations of powers
that wanna be, who really aren't, such as cixi wanting it
to be "quiter
than x" or hilary clinton wanting it
to "not destroy usg because
the us understood as usg was always great" will also not be considered.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, considerations of "abstract
thinkers" who are really metaphysicians, such as "will people be able
to breathe ???" are not
to be considered. if
they are
they live if
they are not
they die. nobody cares. whether leika comes back down or not is not a point of consideration in
the soviet space programme.
mircea_popescu: "no, gotta be metal" "silver ?" no, abundant" "then iron is
the correct substance" "So it is!"
mircea_popescu: "oh so no cement, collected baby
teeth, braided hay or glass
then!"
mircea_popescu: and in
this context
there exists a correctness, "what do we make
the rail out of ?" "well, minimum mass of functional steam engine is 1
ton, so i guess something rigid enough ; but also can't be friable must be ductile.
mircea_popescu: that's it. it exists BECAUSE you could add a rail
to a steam engine. it doesn't exist
TO anything, for all anyone cares it could be
to go
to
the moon or washington as well as better circle
the wagons or hunt mountain goats.
mircea_popescu: the
train example is very much illustrative.
there is no purpose
to
trains!
trains exist because of
the following conversation : "hey,
this steam engine is pretty neat, but is it always stationary ?" "i guess you could add a rail
to it..." "hmmmm".
☟︎ shinohai: Rewriting
the whitepaper will fix everything.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-02 04:37 mircea_popescu: if correctly executed,
this will result in sugar, spice and everything nice necessarily. not just denying
the adversary
the one pasture it
truly needs ; but importantly
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494660 mircea_popescu: this is neither here nor
there, inconvenient as it may be, it has no more bearing on uci
than it has on hypocaloric diets.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-02 04:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider
the implications of what you are arguing. if your idea of "irreplaceable home box" stands,
this necessarily reduces
to fortresses, armies and dirigibles. a world which happens
to exclude a lot of people
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're
the only one discussing
the replacing of your computer.
mircea_popescu: "trains will never work because are
too loud" sort of nonsense.
mircea_popescu: i'm not required
to show you a 1980s mercedes sedan in 1882
to explain why
the fuck cars are a
thing.
mircea_popescu: obviously, X arbitrary usecase is going
to be higher hanging fruit
than Y. so what
the fuck of it,
this is always
the case.
mircea_popescu: you're not at liberty
to freely migrate
this into some crazy shit on a stick like we're doing free word association in
the mental patient yard.
mircea_popescu: dude. i gave you an example of cars and horses
to explain how
TECHNOLOGY IS REPLACED FROM
THE BOTTOM OF
THE FRUIT
TREE UP
mircea_popescu: and while i have no doubt seti@home are imbeciles, nevertheless
the problem is well solved. voting etc.
mircea_popescu: take
the obvious example :
the reddit
thing. can i do it on n boxes, indiferently ?
mircea_popescu: eh,
that's not contemplated. your objection is like saying "bitcoin is not
the solution because my hairdresser doens't
take it".
mircea_popescu: yeah well, it is my notion
that
the proposed scheme, while sinfully vague, is a better prototype for it
than anything else available.
mircea_popescu: they already lost
their sanity when put cart before horse.
mircea_popescu: the only difference being
that folks who abstract end up urbiting only if idiots, and choose
to do so ; whereas folks who
think program is a car and internet a
truck end up with openssh and junk-o-rama no matter what
they want, or do, or even understand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and folks who want
to know "what purpose"
the program is supposed
to serve end up writing openssh ; and fifty years later still wallow without proper crypto.
mircea_popescu: everyone swallowed
the inept broken premises whole,
to debate
the end point. fucking hell. nevermind if you'd download a car or not. CODE IS NOT CARS!
mircea_popescu: code is not
things, which is why whether i;d download a car or not has no fucking bearing on
that discussion.
mircea_popescu: anyway.
the physical metaphore for computing is shitty, and has definitely outlived its usefulness.
mircea_popescu: notice
that if
there's something
that ruined computing, it's
the switch from "we're building computers"
to "we would like
the secretaries
to
typeset on
these".
mircea_popescu: and correct
takes argument, yes, but in
the form of... parents. like amoeba, like urmom, like v and like everything else built
to last.
mircea_popescu: i don't care what comes out of it. just as long as
the process is correct, come what may will be fine.
mircea_popescu: i get it, you've lived a life dealing with people who want a certain
thing
to come out of babbage's machine. fine.
mircea_popescu: i'm not about
to import usg.retardation for any reason.
mircea_popescu: so no, you fake your absolutes. flush blender corpse all you want ; maybe something can be proven later. but
there's no guarantee.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-02 05:38 mircea_popescu: heck, bitbet didn't keep logs. confiscate all you want. was it a
timely enough confiscation ?
mircea_popescu: "all
things were preordained by god - ergo bbet logged".
a111: Logged on 2016-07-02 05:36 mircea_popescu:
there is not a point in
this sense.
mircea_popescu: heck, bitbet didn't keep logs. confiscate all you want. was it a
timely enough confiscation ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: actually, i don't
think our scheme necessarily allows
to know WHICH it was even if you confiscate
them all.
mircea_popescu: please make whole sentences. include
the verbs, and
the nouns, and so on.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-02 05:25 mircea_popescu: but
the concept of "a method which does not allow mapping of physical resources
to logical resources by
third party" DOES work.
mircea_popescu: you've not defined "involuntary participation" in such a way as
to put it in
this soup and prove anything.
mircea_popescu: for it
to be a point it'd have
to be constructed out of
things
that may exist in
the same sentence, which it isn't.
mircea_popescu: if it's right it's right and if it's wrong it's wrong. a statistical argument may not decide
this. it'll be just as wrong with 3 billion and just as right with 0.
mircea_popescu: stop mixing shit against entropy flow. you don't give
the first of a flying fuck about
the number 3. you're wrtiting code, it may not contain magic numbers.
mircea_popescu: and you know
this
through massaging your prostate until a number squirts out ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no,
that's
the convenient excuse. it is forced by
the fact
that "botmaster" === "pimply idiot with no social insertion".
mircea_popescu: the failure of single men
to matter is not
to be construed as saying anything about
the abilities and capacities of hordes with herds in
tow.
mircea_popescu: your notion of "actually solve
the problem" oft shipwrecks on metaphysical shores.
mircea_popescu: the botnets are a lot closer
to
the result, in practice,
than usg ever got.
mircea_popescu: but
the concept of "a method which does not allow mapping of physical resources
to logical resources by
third party" DOES work.
☟︎