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mircea_popescu: well whatever you think, you're not thinking as person, therefore not a sovereign, therefore nevermind.
mircea_popescu: undata for my curiosity, be a darling and narrate the boston tea party ?
mircea_popescu: bounce no, my point is, the likes of popescu. mircea popescu. the likes of redmon ? redmond who ?
mircea_popescu: which is why i said earlier, why;d the gunpile be integral.
mircea_popescu: also a project. there's no shortage of projects, it's not like you can either pick "go to moon" or nothing.
mircea_popescu: week ago we were discussing the "iraq will be the 51st us state"
mircea_popescu: anyway, this entire "fix the computers" thing is just a random example.
mircea_popescu: only crowdsourcing can explain this level of fuming stupidity, i'm affraid.
mircea_popescu: they'd come up with something a little better than derpobama.
mircea_popescu: and if there were some guys on a pile of weapons somewhere, who then could vet anything,
mircea_popescu: because well... it's a colony. it depends on its mother.
mircea_popescu: the most loyal subjects of each european crown were the respective colonies. for fucking centuries.
mircea_popescu: how the shit is this supposed to work ? if you don't have the ability to control anything, how are you going to own the industrial processes makin space flight possible ?
mircea_popescu: the proposition that space flight creates somehow independence.
mircea_popescu: how about napoleon ? better string of predecessors pissing away throne could scarcely be devised.
mircea_popescu: there is no situation fubar enough as to render leadership powerless.
mircea_popescu: dude, who asked kennedy if he inherited the best throne he could have ?
mircea_popescu: whatever it is, he ain't it. that's why people object. not because he's black, and not just because he's stupid.
mircea_popescu: well that's the extend of the discussion. what's stopping mr "nobel prize" from being it ?
mircea_popescu: all the music that didn't fit notation, developed at huge cost of time during times of frequent famine ... gone
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and that not a single line of code ever written, from babbage to today, can be used as is - or even with mild combing. <<< all the skills needed to drive carriages, honed at the significant expense of sweat and often blood by the original wells fargo corporation
mircea_popescu: plus, all sorts of special interest groups will be infairly umpacted or something.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> which requires having something to say, an idea of where we are and where we should be going, organise how we're going to get there <<< also don't neglect the ever essential part that someone somewhere may call you a cult leader!
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> see, people go "o, anything obama does you hate him for it" <<
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude. her fuhrer had people do a) rocketry. b) airplanes powered by hydrazine ; c) rommel in africa looking for the holy grail
mircea_popescu: bounce duh. yes, to have leadership one requires leadership.
mircea_popescu: he could again borrow as much as he could possibly spend.
mircea_popescu: if the obola was out there, "by the end of this decade we will have actually functional computers, this shit is ridiculous"
mircea_popescu: it'd definitely fix the us problem, which is a purely credibility problem.
mircea_popescu: to say "by the end of the decade - man on moon" is substantially different from "hey, we're spending some moneys on some things"
mircea_popescu: the motherfucking point of leadership is to provide... leadership. wow!
mircea_popescu: if you ask the us, it does "plenty of investment" today too.
mircea_popescu: these may be arguments, maybe, but they're not arguments for your side here.
mircea_popescu: out of a million slaughtered, lanky, blonde russian kids.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary. the way it worked was that the germans attacked, stalin commited, and a zhukov emerged.
mircea_popescu: more importantly : the war didn't work like, one day there was a zhukov, and he went hey, what if we had the germans attack us, so they i could be really cool ?
mircea_popescu: let's try the great patriotic war, maybe that's a better knob. so... is that also a "doesn't decompose" sort of task ?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you just forget about it, hit the bottle, and then write a proper fucking thing ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, suppose your job for the next ten years, and you know this, now, is to read 29 different turds and report.
mircea_popescu: the only reason it even exists atm is because nobody's forcing anyone to read it.
mircea_popescu: no it won't. how long do you think people can spend reading shitty c/c++ tcp/ip implementations before they give up their idiocy like the plague ?