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mod6: <+shinohai> It's like a colossal shit
that won't flush. << haha
mircea_popescu: the psychopathology around "anonymity" is kinda facinating
to watch.
mircea_popescu: actually, nsa is
that incompetent, but
that's besides
the point.
mircea_popescu: "your buttons are not connected
to anything in particular - please push
them at will!"
shinohai:
http://archive.is/RiRfl "We still reserve
the right
to act against
the voting result in case
there are security issues identified in
the hard fork code or
the pool will end up on
the non-winning chain".
Framedragger: jurov: elinks loads it fine on ssd but search doesn't work (~works, but notrly). i
think i used lynx when looking up stuff on phuctor
tho. oh well. :/
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 20:42 Framedragger: asciilifeform: "connect with line" you meant actually drawing lines
to show clusters, right? sorry for slowness - off
to bed soon
Framedragger: asciilifeform: "connect with line" you meant actually drawing lines
to show clusters, right? sorry for slowness - off
to bed soon
☟︎ Framedragger: asciilifeform: aha! hey might as well start with
this, sounds good -
thanks for
the idea
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 17:38 asciilifeform: it would not
take long
to snarf
them up and 2d plot by ip
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 17:39 asciilifeform: (a mod with 2 or more ips gets a colour; plot each ip on
the
traditional 2d grid, and connect with line of
that colour.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is
the only way if you're going
to have people with 0 in common use your
thing.
mircea_popescu: (ie, it relied on you having a mental map of structure which it wouldn't render, or not render well. without it, it was unusable, which is why
the illiterate couldn't use it well, didn't like
to use it at all, and
the "free form" html prevailed)
mircea_popescu: it was fundamentally flawed, among other
things, by a structure externality.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; it's not a case of "omg gopher was so great".
to get an idea,
think "navigate web
through excel spreadsheet"
Framedragger: yeah i have
this stupid nostalgia for
things of
that kind even
though i haven't experienced
them myself >.<
mircea_popescu: anyway, one good
thing gopher had
that's still sorely missed was, you'd query someone's org and get
their email.
mircea_popescu: afaik
trilema is
the ONLY place in
the history of englush
text
that does
this.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: university
trying
to charge people? interesting.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 20:07
trinque: Framedragger: no harm in duplicating effort if it's instructive; go head
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505268 << realistically i'll prolly end up waiting
to see what you come up with,
to steal good ideas off of you :) ; meanwhile i'll be scripting something more generic, vaporware-y, and less productive (something something federated e2e encrypted forum
thing)
☝︎ Framedragger: so i hear, hm. including bulletin boards full of phreakers from australia and all
that, i suppose
mircea_popescu: anyway, iirc it got killed by some derpy university
trying
to charge people ?
mircea_popescu: chet self-diagnosed her rare eyesight condition over gopher at a
time medical science was done off paper
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 15:55 pete_dushenski: "the crews
that maintain
the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench
that could attach
the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing
the one
tool”
to
three bases spread across
the country"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 19:49 asciilifeform: anyone ever
tempted
to revive gopher ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 18:18 asciilifeform: i'll admit
that i've wondered for a while, what
the ft meade version of phuctor looks like.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 15:55 pete_dushenski: "the crews
that maintain
the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench
that could attach
the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing
the one
tool”
to
three bases spread across
the country"
trinque: the
things my mind indexes
mircea_popescu: well in fairness - it did flush, which is how it ended up on reddit. you're
the one gone plumbing.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-24 21:16 asciilifeform: nor my
toilet can accomodate 10,000 shits per day
shinohai: It's like a colossal shit
that won't flush.
mircea_popescu: the one
thing a
true blue american really abhors is any form of responsibility.
mircea_popescu: ahaha are
these
the slock.it imbeciles still
trying
to dodge
the obvious "we suck, and we lied about it, and it blew up in our face, and we destroyed your
trust and we will now go die quietly" ?
shinohai: "TheDAO and HF have already led
to a lot of learning, bug fixes, additional research and development of contracts and platform, consensus building, and user education. So
the Ethereum platform is already more valuable
than before."
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 18:01 jurov: you actually
tried lynx? as we are speaking, it claims
to read 30MB, at 340KiB/sec, and
the keeps getting down
trinque: poor ben_vulpes is gonna be in for a
triggering when he catches up on logs
Framedragger: trinque: no but i agree and won't argue
the opposite!
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah! flask is useful and quick
to prototype on, fwiw
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 00:29 asciilifeform: it is known
to me, for instance,
that usg is presently spending stupendous sums on 'biometric' profiling of
typing pattern, for as many victims as possible.
trinque: Framedragger: django et al are enemies of
the republic
trinque: wtf is complicated about
that
trinque: the right way
to build
this is
to have a
table which points
to a view name, an output
type, some field mappings from
the outputs of
the view
to
the parameters of
the output
type
Framedragger: trinque: saves lots of
time, for one, and quite a bit of redundancy. don't need
to manually implement api endpoints etc
mircea_popescu: so
then your ram can do 200 iops and a quad ssd raid can do about 300k. ie, 10^3 moar :D
Framedragger: trinque: well.. eventually
they do once you stretch
them
trinque: the structure is already in
the database catalog
trinque: Framedragger:
those completely suck.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger for
the sake of argument : ddr3 does say 2k cycles and latency is about 10 ; proper ssd does what, 100k iops on a 4k block ?
Framedragger: re sane web,
there were semi-decent attempts which have made use of. for example, declare db model in python file, make $framework produce a working api over
that model, incl implementing all
the
http methods corresponding
to operations (GET, POST, PUT, DELETE)
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you make a proper profiling sometime we can go
through it and see. but, you're right wrt squeezing
the software first if it can be squeezed.
Framedragger: won't be fast
than ram, what are you smoking :)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ssd would help much on
that machine i'd suspect, if it's really i/o bound, as simplistic as it sounds
Framedragger: but i,
too, am interested in
taking a stab at a sane implementation, fwiw!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 19:37
trinque:
the missing
tool here sounds like a generic reporting engine
that speaks SQL and farts graphs, CSV
trinque: cmdbot is 232 lines of
the stuff, can ghost nick, reconnect properly
mircea_popescu: time
to
take
that shit back, just because "it has images" is no excuse for
the existence of say firefox.
mircea_popescu: going back
to history for a minute here - at first
there was
the
text internet ; and
then as bw and hdds grew up and people could have gifs of samatha fox's snatch rather
than ascii art of same,
they all rushed
to... basically,
this shitfest of netscape, internet exploder etc.
trinque: one part eats IRC and writes
to postgresql, sends pg_notify
to connected db clients
that
there are new rows; another listens for new rows in an outbox
table
to write
to
the chan
trinque: thing's written such
that it would hop atop gossipd and provide commands just as easily
trinque: which is
the core of deedbot