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mircea_popescu: you wouldn't want
TO LIVE IN YOUR FUCKING CAR, communitng forever for
the rest of your life, yes ?
mircea_popescu: upon practice, it
turns out
that... people dun wanna be
there.
mircea_popescu: the nuke sub is exactly an item with no utility or human interest, built under
the PRETEXT of a "nuclear war", which is another fiction
trope with not much real anchorage (as discussed in some
trilema article).
mircea_popescu: this isn't really how
transport vessels work, except for a subset of young males.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the
transport vessel is a case of dome much in
the way spontaneous healing of aids is a case of divine grace.
mircea_popescu: fiction may contain
the emotions of
the author, as a point for his compatriots
to fixate on and navigate what otherwise is endless, meaningless,
the sea of representation.
mircea_popescu: if we'll colonize, it'll likely be venus before mars, and it'll likely be
through planetary scale atmospheric intervention rather
than "domes" wtf be
those.
mircea_popescu: hence
the obvious connection
to
the adventures of captain nemo, as retold by verne.
mircea_popescu: there's fundamental breakage underlying
this being "conceptualized" as a problem in
the first place.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not a matter of how
to make green a prime number. it's more of a matter of "how
to make cryptographic rng work from a seed".
mircea_popescu: no, no. on one hand, i see your approach
to be fundamentally flawed, for lack of experience.
this is a practical consideration. on
the other hand, i suspect
the flaw may not be accidental, but proceed from psychogenic cause, which is unclear
to me.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 16:05 mircea_popescu: cuz
the idea
that you'd want
to, in preference of, say, prison, is entirely shocking
to me.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 15:48 asciilifeform: i suspect
that mircea_popescu pisses on 'quidnon' for reasons which have nothing
to do with hydrodynamics or metallurgy
mircea_popescu: only land lubber could conceivably have
this notion of
the sea, as a sort of commodified milk in carton in fridge.
phf: mircea_popescu: huh, i checked
the plot and i was wrong, i was convinced
that
the protagonist was a lady
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform any serious one. and if
they put you in general population, slit a
throat or
two, you'll get solitary and be happy.
mircea_popescu: phf i have no recolection of
this.
testament
to my interest in female anything aged 12, when i read jules verne.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prison is right
there with monastery. no people.
mircea_popescu: cuz
the idea
that you'd want
to, in preference of, say, prison, is entirely shocking
to me.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: did you poke nose in
the sense of actually spending any sort of
time on water ?
phf: well, it was victorian equivalent of fucktoy, mostly just lots of
talking and showing off :>
mircea_popescu: and
the answer is
that "yacht" only exists in mind of people
too poor
to have experience with
the matter ; and otherwise it's a number of discrete items you're invited
to pick amongst.
phf: i
think ascii would benefit best from building Nautilus. spacious, has lab, has pet, mostly as away from humans as possible, can defend itself from government and pirates. an entirely imaginary device
mircea_popescu: "can man live on mars" is engineering question ; "can man live on mars
to escape lost love" is not.
mircea_popescu: no matter how sad you are, hair's not gonna jump off
the scissors and back on your head ; no matter how emo you are, ocean still won't suddenly become a space allocator working as you want it
to.
mircea_popescu: no, has nothing
to do with you. we're discussing boats not your person hiar.
mircea_popescu: this is in no substantial way different from
the "Reisistance
through culture" of
the soviet "intellectuals" aka schmucks.
phf: even orlol made a point a few
times
that he boats not because end of world, but because it's in his nomadic nature.
that's distinctly not what asciilifeform is
trying
to do
trinque: phf: mostly speaking
to
that, yes.
this guy with
the $maxint boat probably spends plenty of
time off it
too
phf: trinque: you're making assumptions about
these other people from what asciilifeform is saying
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can calculate
the energy cannon firings release per firing.
that goes into melting your platform.
trinque: phf:
there's a contradiction in someone
that just wants
to
techmology, doesn't want
to have
to
talk
to anyone.
Technology is a social enterprise; if social conditions are
that bad,
there are problems more fundamental
than "can't have real computer" and such.
mircea_popescu: it just seems so, until and unless you
try
to ... you know, emplace a cannon on it. "shit, it slides!!"
mircea_popescu: yet! wood makes fine boat ; some plastics cheaper, some composites somewhat better much more expensive.
that's it.
mircea_popescu: different phenomena, with
the former much narrower for good physical reasons.
mircea_popescu: look at
tables of materials, comparing say young modulus and resistivity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look,
there's nothing wrong with
this principle in principle, but electric performance and hydrodynamic performance are not
the same
thing
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, recorded performance in both
the
time of venice owning
the mediteranean and of portuguese empire in south china sea is not currently met by "performant" plastic boats.
mircea_popescu: far be itfrom me
to insult your boyish dream of independence ; but let it be said
that boats are boats and have been so for a long
time now.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 15:48 asciilifeform: iirc no one ever even ~tried~
the 'optimize for cost, survival boat' design prior.
phf: trinque: it's
techno nomad, it's a
thing. microship guy doesn't really
try
to solve same problem as orlol, it's all different people with personal interests and agendas
that don't necessarily compose into a single stereotype
☟︎ trinque: this guy's got a lab, what,
to continue
taking part in
the same world he can't stand?
☟︎ trinque: if you've reached
the point where
the world has beaten you back
to being willing
to live in a shipping container, why live?
☟︎☟︎ phf: and
the problem he was
trying
to solve is a lot closer
to what you want
to achieve, i.e. put lab on water, rather
than recreate
the lifestyle of late 6th century pirate nomads or whatever
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform:
the latter
trinque: sounds like resigning
to die, but
then not having
the dignity
to eat
the bullet
☟︎