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mircea_popescu: (if we're to trust the usual US statistics and general scientific consensus, which is to say comic books)
mircea_popescu: cincinnatus says "all men must gather on the camp of mars" and now all men in actual fact must so gather.
mircea_popescu: jurov not so. the definition of dictatorship is merely "he whose word makes truth"
mircea_popescu: ontological fear of nothingness chewing away at his frail identity somehow resolved.x No, maybe they came to him, saying “look Cincinnatus, you are the best among us, and the best by so very far you must be our dictator” and he said “Maybe; we’ll see”. What plans did then Cincinnatus have, exactly ? That all men must assemble on the Camp of Mars ? And if they hadn’t, what exact moral impediment’d have th
mircea_popescu: specifically, "What fucking plans ? Why does the dictator have to absolutely have some sort of plans, aforethought ? Maybe he’s a dictator in the proper sense, because his group perceived him as worthy. He didn’t go to them, like an obnoxious lawyer spawn, with a list of whatever items are fashionable - promises, intentions, qualities, college degrees - to ask to be made a dictator and thus have the gaping void and
mircea_popescu: hence the entire "proceed from cause not towards goals" thing.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in a system without objective all is a waste, which reduces to what i said.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but how do you measure the wastefullness of pointlessness ?
mircea_popescu: the proof that there was nothing there to waste in the first place is the simple fact of having been wasted.
mircea_popescu: if you don't eat a bit of lard, some rat will find it.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "under the guise of making prison more like school the reverse is of course accomplished."
mircea_popescu: ;;google "in the attempt to make prison more like school, they made school more like prison"
mircea_popescu: actually the reason it can't be fully learnable has more to do with godel than with tits and ass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since the iris young nitwit was mentioned, here's a q for you : how many maths or generally actual scientists you ever heard of that were full professors at 34 ?
mircea_popescu: but this alone is not nearly the strength of your previous statement.
mircea_popescu: so yes, i grant that too, that your guys are pretty well above most.
mircea_popescu: undata surely, everyone who's alive is doing ~it~ right
mircea_popescu: that's the point of metaphores, to keep getting punctured.
mircea_popescu: once they get lynched by an angry mob you can say what you will,
mircea_popescu: undata that they're momentarily realising gains out of externalised costs that haven't yet caught up with them.
mircea_popescu: people, of the common kind, can only be fed by a master.
mircea_popescu: and if putin keeps hammering him in the head all over the middle east, your scrip may be as good as the confederate's.
mircea_popescu: is obviously a dependency on the fucking master in question
mircea_popescu: the food your master chooses to dispense to you in exchange for scrip that master has given you n the first place
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but somehow the people who expect to be able to eat without being slaves also bitch at the people fighting for the oil requisite for that arrangement.
mircea_popescu: this is the quintesential broken approach. there's "food" as you're talking, there's "food" as he's talking.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: machines that can do this exist, they are called animals, and generally have their own problems that prompt people to invent less-general machines. << splendidly put.
mircea_popescu: (to be perfectly fair the original japanese folk story doesn't have that explicit in there, but hey. posteriority separates and all that)
mircea_popescu: you're generally not at liberty to rely on an infinite representational space.
mircea_popescu: adlai there is no guarantee that turtle language includes space for more than "terrible"./
mircea_popescu: the turtle from osaka, back towards its pond, in osaka
mircea_popescu: then, after a moment of reflection, they said their goodbies and parted ways
mircea_popescu: oh, terrible brother, just terrible. how about kyoto ?
mircea_popescu: they saluted each other, and soon realised each comes from the other's destination. so they naturally inquired
mircea_popescu: after putting step after step for long enough they met at the midpoint of the road between kyoto and osaka.
mircea_popescu: eventually the turtle from osaka had enough of this indignity, and securely tying a salad leaf to its carapace, proceeded on the road to kyoto.
mircea_popescu: eventually the turtle from kyoto had enough of this indignity, and securely tying a salad leaf to its carapace, proceeded on the road to osaka.
mircea_popescu: an old turtle had lived for many years in a pond in osaka. in the later days a new concubine introduced a habit of launching ever more bright felinars at night, which bothered its sleep.
mircea_popescu: but bothered the turtle, because it could no longer see the light of the soon or the moon, or the stars.
mircea_popescu: an old turtle had lived for many years in a pond in kyoto. in the later days a new concubine introduced a habit of throwing strands of silk over the pond, which became fashionable,
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : anyone want to hear retold the ancient japanese story of the turtle from kyoto and the turtle from osaka ?
mircea_popescu: <undata> it is likely having grown up here that gives me deep skepticism that things are ever "better" << the canonical form of this is, "it is unlikely for the tadpole that ever lived in the same one puddle to imagine what different puddle means"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> what does it actually take, in terms of resources, to keep a mathematician going? << food.
mircea_popescu: <undata> americans can't communicate with each other well enough to solve any problems. << this is true actually. seriously, "dating guides" ?
mircea_popescu: the word sinecure originates from this time, specifically the actual peasant sucking the cock's despising of the uncocksucky position of kepler.
mircea_popescu: just, as people stopped trying alchemy they rejected it, it's all therein contained.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't take some sort of official pronouncement, like the "chemistry foundation" of 1700 signed a statement that they "now hereby reject the heresy of alchemy"
mircea_popescu: the moment they stopped trying to make gold, they rejected the search for gold.
mircea_popescu: jurov yes. in hindsight. by people rejecting wholesale a 1000 years' pile of tradition.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well no banker wakes up and thinks "today i will lose some money"
mircea_popescu: adlai the point is that nothing forces you to speak on topics on which you have nothing to say
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform self-styled "regulators" love to whine pathetic about the "irresponsible risk seeking behaviours" of banks or whoever, conveniently omitting to mention that it's the disease of the system, it's what socialism necessarily breeds (through blindness), and that they themselves took some insane gambles. such as the 50 year "let's finance pseudoscience, who knows,\ maybe it pays off"