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deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12162511443944070773219991934677582698468209730498855355911521948607449303537567609416882598773485743668093728963053579135929514188223460244897500435488727 divides RSA Moduli belonging
to '197.221.61.38 (ssh-rsa key from 197.221.61.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+197.221.61.38@mkj.lt>; ' -
http://phuctor.nosuchla ☟︎ mats: i'm not confident in my ability
to write secure crypto
mats: i played with
the idea but i need an alf (or a coupla years of free
time
to eat
the prerequisite knowledge)
phf: oh i've seen
that code, so whoever worked on
that migration is a saint
mircea_popescu: phf you should see what "make
this shit 64 bit uniformly wtf is
this" ends up being like.
phf: mats: "work" part consistently
turns out
to be hard :>
mircea_popescu: not much, sadly.
that might be a much better idea for "Something
to do", if anyone's looking.
mats: whatever happened
to
the guy
that was working on a wot cryptopoker
thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have
the advantage of ready at my beak and call stable of otherwise intelligent, educated and detail-oriented womenz. i can soak up all sorts of unimaginable
things
the average "vc
team" et all couldn't possibly.
mircea_popescu: with
the caveat
that from experience, mike_c's attempt
to make a site (and he made a very nice one)
to
test in practice some
theories which we didn't agree on in
theory did put a lot of load on him, and possibly in my mind burned
the guy out.
mircea_popescu: now, if someone either a)
thinks
they have
the bright idea or b) welcome
the busywork (not unrational,
that's how you learn
things)
they're welcome obviously.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re phf's "of course i
thought about writing bbet" :
the problem
there's not "write
the site",
thats a
trivial
task
to be done in a brief
time by a single competent coder.
the problem
there, and
the reson i'm not pushing for replacement, is "how
to administer bets". and until i have a good idea i won't push for
this, because it's ~futile as it is, will just pile busywork on some people for no actual benefit.
mats: virtually all of
these i've seen have
three glass walls on em
mats: there's no guidance for how
the reader is supposed
to fight if
the user resists
mats: fun fact,
the usb smart card reader spec defines a control request for eating cards instead of returning
them
phf: all
these stories from mp basement, i feel like i'm missing out
phf: (i actually integrated
that code into btcbase
two weekends ago, which is when i piped up about it. but
then i went
to ocean city,
twice now :> so no free weekend of hacking)
trinque: phf: imma rip
that out and provide hooks
phf: mircea_popescu:
trinque actually published one, but it's a bit
too
tied
to his particular postgresql requirements
trinque: this sasl bit is
the last
thing before I sign a vpatch
trinque: enumerating
the states of nickserv is a
tangle of weeds
mircea_popescu: incidentally, we prolly shoulf just publish a standard irc bot basic, a la gribble (which is really just supybot)
then v off it ?
trinque: yeah,
that's why I'm farting around with sasl over here
phf: asciilifeform:
there's
two problems. one is pedantic, lost messages during reconnect period. one is practical,
there's a handful beurocratic steps
that needs
to
take place during reconnect, ensuring you have
the right nick, ghosting a stale connection, ensuring
that you're authenticated
mircea_popescu: and bitbet was a particularly promising but ultimately failed attempt
to
take a bite out of it.
phf: asciilifeform: ~one~
thread. every
time bot goes down i get a "wtf"
treatment from you. bot disconnects because
there's a connection issue. it doesn't reconnect because
there's no reconnection code. i will fix
that eventually. i've said as much every
time
the subject comes up. so i'm supposed
to just work on
this shit
to a chorus of "loooooog dooooown wtf incompetence"?
mircea_popescu: quite so. it's a deep problem, i have been
toying with for many years, because i never do just one single
thing at a
time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
to give you one datapoint : out of close
to 2k props closed,
there were exactly 2 mispaid ones we had
to repay. go ahead and create a
team of people who a) pick all items within hours ; b) failure rate of 0.1% or less.
then report what it costs.
mircea_popescu: just, all
things can be discussed, now you've opened
this can, so we're discussing it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform creation's cheap ; closure's expensive. what's
the cost of making a kid ? depends. do you kill him right after or do you
take him
to college ?
phf: asciilifeform: of course i
thought about writing bbet, but
that means
that i can't work on log, or would spend less
time on it.
to answer question re no reconnect, at some point
there was a reason, which i since realized was silly.
to now rewrite bot and integration
takes
time. which i
took, now
takes
time
to integrate etc. if i was working on
this full
time could finish all in a couple of days. as is, i'm literally hacking in a car on
mircea_popescu: ie, in case of bitbet
things worked smoothly because i never
trusted
the nonsense ; in
the case of
the dao unsmoothly because
the idiots actually
tried
this "the code is law" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: no.
the implication here is
that "automated business" will always end in crater, with
the size of
the crater as a functiuon of how much everyone actually reliedf on
the "automated" part.
mircea_popescu: there isn't ai. and it costs
too damn much
to actually hand-eval contracts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for ~same reason "colored coins" in all
their nutty variants all
the way
to "the dao" dun work in practice.
mircea_popescu: neither of
these have so far produced a unit of whatever
they produce for less
than
they sold it for.
this is obviously unsustainable ; but also not necessarily a killer early on in new markets.
mircea_popescu: anyway. eulora made i dun recall, some
tens of btcs selling its product so far. bitbet
took in i dun recall idem, but maybe a few hundred
to a
thousand selling its product ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe him when he says, "i've simply not
thought about it". which is
the beauty of
tmsr, gets people
thinking about
things.
phf: yes, yes, keep
talking (/me counts words)
mircea_popescu: deedbot is probably closer
to becoming a paid service on
those lines, it's just mostly deliberate decision
to not push it
that way yet. which is sensibru.
shinohai: distribute shares
to holders by number of words ala qntra? xD
shinohai builds a printing press
that makes wptrons and gets listed on mpex
mats: how could you monetize
that?
trilema credits for s.log?
mircea_popescu: it's not like alf is magic and phf is unmagic. come up with something. preferably
that'd make sense.
phf: mircea_popescu: i will have
to
think about it, because
to be honest i've not given it any
thought. i'm not immediately seeing a cause for it
though
mircea_popescu: what's
that
to do with anything ? bitbet had a model,
that had a model,
this had a model, what's it
to you ?
phf: i don't grok
the business strategy of "here's
the project i'm working on, it lost x btc so far". cardano had a deliverable,
that could be sold, everything else seems
to be "tmsr marketing"
phf: well, unfortunately i don't have S.LOG
to make monthly excuses
to shareholders in. log upkeep is like
the janitorial work of
tmsr, doesn't even come with a promise of future millions
mircea_popescu: he's wasting his
time hopelessly
trying
to catch up
to my ho count while he's still young,
that's why.
mircea_popescu: shinohai
that's why
the confusion
took a week
to clear ? because it wasn't 4,5 mn eth coins ?
phf: ben_vulpes: it
times out
ben_vulpes is dreadfully curious about
the actual failure mechanism at work here.
ben_vulpes: wait, what does
the box location have
to do with anything?
phf: i'm
thinking of moving it
to cock box, but i doubt
that's going
to be better, since
the policy
there sets it up
to be an attack box
mircea_popescu: enemies of
the revolution everywhere! must stay vigilant, comrades!