asciilifeform: once ~current~ item no longer in acute danger of choking on own vomit, can potentially revisit this.
asciilifeform: traditional dc, with its fiber trunks, is somewhat intrinsically incatronic item imho
asciilifeform: ( and within range of the nearest jungle mast )
asciilifeform: cuz then all you really need is a mains socket.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while we're on 'fyootoor techs' : i suspect that a working radio net would make 'robo-pizarro' a substantially moar practical notion. ( i.e. if 'cage' could in just about anywhere, not necessarily 'dc' )
asciilifeform: thus far there's exactly 1 BingoBoingo and he'd better not contract yellow fever. not even speaking of hypothetical robot that births BingoBoingos...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if robo-woman can muster the hiring of actual pair of hands, to hoist boxen, weasel heathens into 'bank acct', etc -- then yes. tho it still wouldn't crack the problem of 'loyal hands'
asciilifeform: ( it worked, in certain sense of 'worked', for bitcoin -- but it is not only a quite narrow problem set, but very diff affair in re process latency than what folx generally expect of 'server' )
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform strongly suspects that the idea of replacing '2 strong oxen with 1024 chickens' in the ~general case~ is a perpetuum mobile. witness the heathens and their 'cloudism' , it is a circus )
asciilifeform: if there were advances on the ideal-net-of-perfectly-redundant-boxes front ( as described in e.g. mircea_popescu's 'uci' piece ) conceivably there could be a place for such 'isp'. but it still cannot replace an actual cage where you can put actual sealed irons with custom fillings.
asciilifeform: prior to pizarro, i pictured 'tmsr isp' as a moar 'noncontact' item, where heathen contract is signed and robotic 'bring server into gossip net' item is installed immediately. but FG / we-want-custom-irons etc changed this picture
asciilifeform: sumbody's gotta interface with heathendom, presently state of the art afaik does not give robot for this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the part where physical irons move, get hoisted, endisked, etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a good % of isp is sadly not automatable with present tech. but spreadshit is not one of'em
asciilifeform: presently i'm concerned with ripping out the current duct tape, however.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes eventually we will want 'software package' imho
asciilifeform: is however iirc in pizarro log, presently digging for the most recent known incarnation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was ben_vulpes's thing, and doesn't appear to be in the pgpball, was a separate communique, part of ben_vulpes's 'i'm off to the desert' msg
asciilifeform: it's a fucking disgrace , and i'm party to it, it happened on my watch. i'ma clear my calendar today, BingoBoingo plox to lemme know asap what you need on my end
asciilifeform: lol i'd actually rather join racoon in garbage restaurant..
asciilifeform: i was thinking moar along the lines of oestrogenic plasticizers etc
asciilifeform: i'm presently unconvinced that they are created by reading anyffin, tho. presumably created in childhood, by some combo of defective progenitors and envir pollutants, ~then~ go on to 'read' things
asciilifeform: biologically damaged folx, i.e. 'cucks', do apparently exist, mircea_popescu documented the subj half to death, yes
asciilifeform: earlier today, racoon said to asciilifeform , 'how about you drop whatever YOUR doing and eat garbage with me' ; asciilifeform answered also 'Nah'
asciilifeform: i dun expect nigerian 419 'prince' actually thinks he ~is~ a prince
asciilifeform: i can't picture anybody actually thinking this crud.
asciilifeform: meat-cranked shannonizer is still shannonizer, neh
asciilifeform: these aint actually words. as in, out of human. they're from shannonizer.
asciilifeform: straight cargocult, like other spamola
asciilifeform: i dunno that any 'think' was involved at any point
asciilifeform: ( i have a box here that is waiting for new-cuntoo.. )
asciilifeform: was it actually a hairball of glibcish dependencies ? or build cleanly
asciilifeform: ( tho as i presently understand, his conveyor is at least as packed as mine )
asciilifeform: is why i am hoping to engage him in process.
asciilifeform: and yes this ~is~ the very same disease of which usg is dying. i'd like to fix this before we drown in ocean of stupid.
asciilifeform: initially 'missile codes' were 80%+ of the pizarro comms, so problem was latent
asciilifeform: my concern is that this somehow snowballed to include half a MB of things that have no biznis being seekrit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there ~is~ small body of non-(realtime)-publishable fact, e.g. who's sending wires, logins, etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ours, i think, is moar of a case of 'this is nice rifle, let's take it fishing', pgp offers temptation to 'cipher and then see later', i agree that it is dangerous.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing does contain 'launch codes' presently. it needs some actual disentanglement, after which i expect pgp-turd traffic will be minimal ( just how often we change launch codes ?? ) and 99+% of the thing is to be posted in realtime.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 : i'd like to make as much of that massive txt turd we've been pgp'ing back and forth, public asap -- it is unseemly imho that simple factoids like ' today BingoBoingo was cured of yellow fewer and took delivery of 5 hdds' are 'classified', wtf
asciilifeform: and yes it dun have to be irc-powered, necessarily
asciilifeform: we already have an irc dependency ( it is the only contact method )
asciilifeform: currently trinque is the grandmaster of noad-powered realtime mechanics.
asciilifeform: after we get the simplest working item up & running, i'ma ask trinque if he is interested in helping (in exch for shares, perhaps) us to avoid reinventing wheel, and solder his payment system to our acct system
asciilifeform: for nao need simple, working number crunch asap.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is what i was thinking under header of 'when we gild the lily'☟︎
asciilifeform: i'm thinking BingoBoingo oughta take this in own hands ( BingoBoingo ? )
asciilifeform: the 1 open q is whether mod6 will continue as treasurer, presently he is the only 1 with access to the coins + the realtime tx history which powers the spreadshit☟︎
asciilifeform: only after mine field cleared , will make sense to gild the lily, supposing it even needs gilding.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will start with exactly this. imho it will suffice.
asciilifeform: after asciilifeform's conveyor ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 << public ! nao ) is emptied, can then attempt an item which sits on www and takes signed updates via form box, possibly
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes's proggy was not wwwtronic, so i'm thinking we'll begin by updating it to the current numberz and posting it verbatim (signed by the principals)
asciilifeform: soon as BingoBoingo & mod6 wake up, we start to glue the necessary pieces .
asciilifeform: mod6: let's get this off the ground asap
asciilifeform: as i understand, doesn't even require crypto, customer supplies ( achtung, customers ! ) arbitrary bitstring, it will be his pseudonym in the document.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you see any potential problem in idea of making the 'spreadshit' realtime-public ? ( when we get heathen customers, they may want their names omitted, i suppose, but as it stands i can't picture why not )
asciilifeform: presently appears that i may have to 'disentangle' it with own hands ( if mod6 has nervous breakdown ) and put it back in service. it was retired when ben_vulpes went into sabbatical, mod6 preferred to do the numbers with pen
asciilifeform: btw the inventory shows that disks are available for that machine, if mircea_popescu & co want it fully en-disked.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc mod6 has 2 ( 3? 4? ) children, even. but soldiers on.
asciilifeform: i also have a portable gsm heathen thing that displays logs (but i do not like to speak through it)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i 'cheat' by having logs on dedicated panel in peripheral vision at all times when awake. but when waking up sometimes 20-30min catchup, ditto when venturing into meatspace and returning (for as much as whole day ) can be >hr
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm presently unconvinced that crapple iron with the horsepower of a rk but the footprint of pc, belongs in the rack ( tho will listen to reason if anybody wants to argue the opposite, or for that matter contract to colo one )
asciilifeform: mod6: plz dun assume that i am ignoring your mails ! was tied up with straightening own '10 pounds of shit in 1 pound bag', will attend to them asap
asciilifeform: from ru folx's reports 'from the ground' , would seem that it is less of a 'miamistan' than Mocky's arabs, typical folx, even moneyed, not deeply into english. but ru is diff matter.
asciilifeform quite ill-versed, presently, in matters cn, this will have to be corrected
asciilifeform: there is a considerable, btw, number of ru folx working with cn . possibly also angle.
asciilifeform: i thought the basic winning theorem of orc-craft was to go in as a properly-literate, vs. 'idjit englisher'
asciilifeform: now i'm curious. how wouldja propose to get by without'em ? ask for contracts etc in the king's engl ?!
asciilifeform: i knew it is in the cards when we first spoke seriously of baking ic, tho, so picked up (cutting through considerable loathing for hieroglyph..) the subj, a while back.
