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thestrin1puller: I imagine now this is how a parent feels when their child won't stop sticking forks in the electrical outlets.
thestrin1puller: it's usually something i've heard him say before
thestrin1puller: i always come in this channel
mircea_popescu: dude, i would like to see your site. sooner or later you're going to have someone lose some btc on a bet, and they'll be pissed off, and you'll be wiser for the experience.
Diablo-D3: I warned them
Graet: i will if you link it, cgf searching for thier thread :)
fractal: Diablo-D3: It will make noise -- and when I launch my site, people will use it when they hear the back-story
Diablo-D3: I repeatedly told people not to buy units from companies that had no previous experience
fractal: fraudlent actually... this will certainly affect Bitbet's image, as I'm writing a long and drawn out forum post right now
Diablo-D3: if they would have had built in overclocking and I ran bitbet, I would have passed it
Diablo-D3: I dunno man, the way you describe it it may actually beet performance targets
Diablo-D3: I would have passed the bet too
Diablo-D3: I said w not gh
mircea_popescu: so when's this new site coming online ? i think i'd bet a little on yes myself.
Graet: i agree "substantially delivered upon" != delivered upon
Diablo-D3: I'd use no site because betting is for morons
Graet: i'd use fractal 's site to make a bet bitbet are scammers :D
fractal: well, bitbet is clearly a fraudulent site -- logic and reason shows that the bet was a no. I dont know what else to say.
fractal: I can't allow other people to be defrauded.
fractal: I'm going to use it to motivate me though -- I'll be coding a competing site starting next week to put them out of business. 0% fees.
fractal: Diablo-D3: well, apparently I was stupid enough to bet there......
Diablo-D3: fractal: I dont think you understand
fractal: I'd urge everyone to consider twice before using bitbet in the future.
kakobrekla: that would prolly hold true even if i was in somalia
kakobrekla: i can travel 200km to Maribor and i wont understand anything they are saying
kakobrekla: so i do not dont do i.
kakobrekla: i think in large part cause of
bitcoin23324: I know, but which are trustful?
jurov: i just bought year ago at tenth of current price.. and still holding part of them
jurov: and i'm to return him 6.15btc then
random_cat: i can live with that. if .1 ltc breaks me, i've got bigger fish to fry
random_cat: as best i can tell, btc-e charges 0.1 ltc to you for generating the redeem code
random_cat: i just generated a new address, but i want to immediately short on btce anyway
jurov: but i don't know the fee
random_cat: thx. i don't know how others think of it, but i usually think of interest as paid after
random_cat: (i.e. you keep that part of the collateral)
random_cat: can i pay the .5btc then?
jurov: okay mmnt, i need to start litecoind after some time and sync
jurov: well, so i'm going to loan you 350 ltc
jurov: random_cat: i take it
jurov: random_cat: oh and i meant it a bit ironically
Duffer1: I don't see how he's having so many problems with this stuff when CampBX is chugging right along
kakobrekla: i typoed again
qqq111: this one is close i guess http://bitbet.us/bet/515/the-us-will-be-specifically-involved-in-another/
qqq111: I'm surprised there isn't a 'US will strike syria by X date' bet
qqq111: i wish. i'd probably have more money then i do now..
qqq111: well, i am qqq111.
qqq111: that bet should probably be nullified. imo. (though i would lean toward the no side)
fractal: I hope they dont decide without a long discussion
fractal: I think this is a serious discussion to have If i were bitbet.... its clear they shipped on time and are a great company .... but the language of the bet here -- specifically what a 'UNIT' is defined as-- is very important.
tyrion70: glad i didn't bet :p
fractal: saulimus is right.... I'll unilaterally stop discussion for a while. so I can regain my sanity.
tyrion70: well if I ordered them and I cleared shelves in my rack I'd be very sad if they were 10 times as large as advertized...
tyrion70: I'd expect a unit to have a performance..
fractal: ok, i'll remove the chip count from the description... and add 1-raspberry pi
tyrion70: what I mean to say is that you look at it from a dollar perspective..
Anduck: if i had to pay more, it would definately be a no
Anduck: tyrion70: o i mean no
Anduck: tyrion70: i remember the conclusion
tyrion70: yes but you only remember half of what I said there apparently anduck..
fractal: Anduck: If they never shipped a 'UNIT' then I guess the bet is invalid, since they only shipped 'KITS'?
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this discussion has hashed worth a block by now.
tyrion70: like I said..
Anduck: i am trying to make the bet to resolve correctly
Anduck: i am not proving a point
fractal: To be honest -- if there ever was a case to invalidate a bet -- i think this would be it...
fractal: pankkake: absolutely. I'm sure Anduck is also tired of pretending a KIT/UNIT is more then what was advertised.
tyrion70: jezus guys.. i feel like an atheist in between catholics and jehova's witnesses
fractal: pankkake: well, if you side with bait and switch fraudsters who can change the definition of a UNIT after the fact, then I guess i shouldn't worry about you calling me a jerk
fractal: pankkake: I'm repeating whats relevent to the bet.
fractal: pankkake: I never wish other people to be unhappy. you're not very nice.
fractal: rulother-tab: I agree, but thats not what the language of the bet says
pankkake: if the bet resolves as Yes I would be happy because fractal will be unhappy. if the bet is No I will be happy because I get my money back. cool!
rulother-tab: I think if in the end it does the total hashing power then that's all that matters
rulother-tab: I see you guys are still debating the bet
fractal: They shipped more hardware, and are by far the best ASIC manufactuerer so far, and I will order from them... and they've done a great job..... but that has nothing to do with the bet language
Anduck: and i can get the logs about that why it is so
fractal: I did.
Anduck: i did.
fractal: Read what I wrote with care as well.
Anduck: dude read what i wrote
pankkake: kakobrekla: I'm waiting for the TAT PT
kakobrekla: i think the conclusion of the story is buy s.bbet
fractal: Anduck: proof that the 400Gh kit is what I describe --- http://thegenesisblock.com/bitfury-400-ghs-bitcoin-mining-rig-hits-us-shores/
Anduck: i get a 400gh KIT which is same as 400gh UNIT as we already accepted.
Anduck: and i get a 400gh unit and it does the 400gh? chip count changed, yes
Anduck: fractal: i order 400gh unit, i get 400gh.
pankkake: now I want one
Anduck: i buy 1 kit, i get >400gh
tyrion70: hence it can be read as "what I receive when I order one" or "1 m board 16 h boards and 256 chips"
pankkake: (and it means I lose my bet)
pankkake: honestly, I think it should resolve as yes then
Anduck: i am fucking more right than him goddamnit KIDDORAGE INCOMING
tyrion70: yeah i see where you are going..
Anduck: i don't agree with that technical perspective
Anduck: i think it can't.
fractal: tyrion70: thats exactly what I placed my bet on.
tyrion70: I can bet from technical perspective..
tyrion70: so if I were to read up on what a unit was I would think its a kit?
fractal: tyrion70: I think its clear the bet language is not great. it its cancelled, i would understand, but I think it comes down to what most people would interpret a 'UNIT as Advertised' as being...