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mircea_popescu: which is why its replacement figured majorily in the prev discussion of bringing pgp implementation up to snuff
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the thinkers : i'm pretty sure the symmetric cypher is currently the weakest link in our entire crypto stack.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bounce anyway, i don't think we've really managed to talk of the same thing, so i guess this entire quesiton will come back in teh futures.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, dsa/elgamal uses dsa key for signing not encryption. for the other, the symmetric block cypher is not so very large anyway/
mircea_popescu: bounce you understand this serves no practical purpose yes ?
mircea_popescu: punkbot asciilifeform stop you two. we are NOT reimplementing gpg before bitcoind is done.
mircea_popescu: the proposition that "all things that are carry purpose equally so" is fallacious, and for that matter gnoseosocialism!
mircea_popescu: "if you stab him, does he not bleed" === "all molecules run on qm"
mircea_popescu: so now : all these run entirely on quantum mechanics. the box and the cpu. this is directly equivalent to saying "stinks of running entirely on chumps, chumpatron". so ?
mircea_popescu: god fucking help me if someone took away a single germanium atom.
mircea_popescu: i have a computer here, it runs this irc session. right next to it, i have a wooden box. it is ALSO MADE OF MOLECULES. it runs nothing. they form a society of the items in my house. they're all molecules. i wouldn't fucking notice if the entire fucking wooden box went away.
mircea_popescu: let's not confuse things. leaders are leaders, adonis-18
mircea_popescu: exactly how a plate of uranium glass may glow under uv light, but won't warm anything much.
mircea_popescu: harkens back to the entire "how come 300 milion usians living in the best world ever don't produce about 500 renoirs a year ?"
mircea_popescu: in any case, whatever they need they get, and that means you'll issue hb1 visas to obedient indians if those are the only obedient people to be found.
mircea_popescu: to try and heal this utterly scattered conversation : if you properly ignore most of society, the whole shebang depends on keeping the few that matter huming. if they hum too slow it cools and dies entirely. if they hum too fast it explodes, and you get a golden age.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and in the sense that all uranium decays, all people are people and matter.
mircea_popescu: neither. for the purpose of the above, "doped uranium" = natural uranium ore. inert uranium with traces of radioactive uranium.
mircea_popescu: to better understand this, consider doped uranium. some doped uranium is shaped in pellets, other doped uranium is shaped in bars. the only thing that actually matters is whether the uranium is doped with radioactive material or not.
mircea_popescu: what matters is : are you going to do it or aren't you.
mircea_popescu: and so : technology has nothing to do with it. if the technology is "have 10 people do dances" or if the technology is "stay indoors and pile things"
mircea_popescu: whether at point A the three were motivated to work and at point B they were not is the clou of the matter.
mircea_popescu: allowing this as a fact : that at point A the three that mattered used thirty others to dance the ramma-butta, whereas at point B the three that mattered simply stayed indoors and piled items on top of other items is not what's relevant.
mircea_popescu: suppose out of a hundred people, ninety-seven don't matter. ever. irrespective of any consideration, if god strikes them down tomorrow nothing happens.
mircea_popescu: my proposition is that this is entirely besides the point.
mircea_popescu: seaworthy vessels work at going places ; sinking vessels work at staying afloat.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the bulk of they shipped in are "luxury workers", which is to say cocksuckers.
mircea_popescu: has entirely nothing to do with technology, as tardpedia emptily claims.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah. destructuring society -> deskilling economy.
mircea_popescu: once that was no longer the approach, the us was no longer noteworthy.
mircea_popescu: back when shooting artillery upon the strikers was the publicly acceptable approach, ford and carnegie could dominate whole industries, and build the capital that's still to this day supporting us spending, that "full faith and credit".
mircea_popescu: because france had a king and italy did not, it was able to import glassworks from france (and silk from china) and become a major producer, running it out of the market.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can't maintain intellectual dominance without political dominance, you can't maintain political dominance without social hierarchy. the us decided to scrap hierarchy. of fucking course it can no longer have intelligent people working in its workshops, whatever they may be.
mircea_popescu: decimation: well, there's little doubt in my mind that the reason h1b visas are 'tech' targeted is because engineers have the least political pull in the us <<< they happen to be the only people who have an actual something to do, and so aren't quite as motivated to politics by the gnawing existential void that pushes the paper pushers.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo:. << Generally the way this work in US [...] << yup, exactly that.
mircea_popescu: lol so pankkake got butthurt because we don't like systemd, decided bitcoin "wouldn't have worked anyway" ? that's some pretty good fatlogic right there.
mircea_popescu: imagine this. romanian rural population, making ~2-3k a year, thinks themselves better.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a slave is a slave. the responsibility for his actions is his master's.
mircea_popescu: just, at a skill the puritanical state refuses to name. "slavery" say.
mircea_popescu: decimation not so. the chinese guy in his example was well skilled
mircea_popescu: i don't happen to care that usians believe sucking cock is not something to be good at
mircea_popescu: i think you miss my meaning. " if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, it boggles that this orlov fellow has somehow managed to get all the us diseases. srsly, an amateur is going to joseph smith his way into a better way to read ? and pushes this on random kids ?
mircea_popescu: in short, you're better off living in a country of immigrants than in a coutnry of citizens.
mircea_popescu: well, obviously depends what your goals are, but if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality is among them then an open system will alway sbeat any closed one.
mircea_popescu: it simply means the "voters" scum expect on average more out of the forcing of the public treasury than on the maximum the public treasury may contain