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Framedragger: (..ssd would probably speed things up, just to reiterate..)
asciilifeform: (anyone have link to gribble src ? does it keep the 100+G in ram?!)
asciilifeform: how long to walk 100G ? ☟︎
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ahh, ok. much thanks for elucidation
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 18:59 mircea_popescu: how long should it take ?
asciilifeform: it is not the khadeer modulus, but the 'xss attack' one.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 19:24 asciilifeform: incidentally it is the khadeer & co. modulus.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523442 << actually this is wrong, ☝︎
asciilifeform: expect to see moar butthurt scampering a la boeck et al.
asciilifeform: we - turn them over.
asciilifeform: the cockroaches assumed, lived entire life, that no one will ever turn over the rocks.
asciilifeform: if a new one is discovered tomorrow - i will consider it, also.
asciilifeform: theoretically any ~inexpensive~ attack, such that i can do it against the whole collection of mods, is fair game.
asciilifeform: some time next we will have pollard's test.
asciilifeform: (e.g., the degenerate case, perfect square, as above.)
asciilifeform: which picks up any mod where the factors are obscenely close together.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: we have fermat test.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: obtw, did the breaking of that khadeer modulus come from you implementing the "check (NextPrime(2^1023))^2" heuristic? 'cause that's bound to yield some new results!
asciilifeform: not to be confused with 'longest modulus for which we have a factor'
asciilifeform: incidentally it is the khadeer & co. modulus. ☟︎
PeterL: my old key was 1024, I think
PeterL: what was the biggest it did so far?
asciilifeform: not to raid on the parade, but must point out, phuctor is not a collection of peculiarly-small keyz...
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:50 asciilifeform: Framedragger: phuctor has very little to do with curing particular lepers.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523211 << seeing phuctor breaking things caused me to get off my ass and take the couple minutes to generate a bigger key ☝︎
mircea_popescu: empire not doin' so hawt these days.
mircea_popescu: “The stuff they have there is super-duper interesting, but it is by far not the most interesting stuff in the tool set,” he said. “If you had the rest of it, you’d be leading off with that, because you’d be commanding a much higher rate.” << yeah... and then... SELL ADVERTISING.
mircea_popescu: The auction “is a joke,” Weaver said. “It’s designed to distract. It’s total nonsense.” He said that “bitcoin is so traceable that a Doctor Evil scheme of laundering $1 million, let alone $500 million, is frankly lunacy.”
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty lulzy how butthurt they are at the fact bitcoin raped them, though.
mircea_popescu: how long should it take ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: (not quite relatedly, why was gribble able to answer the 'balance' question so quickly ?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno that 'send a non-refundable bid, and oh also price is 1 MIL BTC' counts as 'for sale', more of elaborate gag
asciilifeform: ( the thing that is not clear to me is what part of this leak prevents even a single parcel from being intercepted, with old ~or~ new cisco rubbish in it, and patched to admit the cock, supposing any of these devices even ~need~ such treatment, given that the master keys are escrowed already )
mircea_popescu: funny shit where the files usg stole from sr are supposedly being sold for x unless they were actually stolen first by freelancing agents etc ; whereas the files ? stole from usg are being sold for 100x.
mircea_popescu: what, cookie overflow, ifconfig bug, plenty in there.
asciilifeform: in most of the samples, the actual exploit used to get control of the box is not stated, quite likely it consisted of 'interdict the parcel'.
asciilifeform: well, the ciscolade etc. is particular to 7+ y.o. fw.
mircea_popescu: their exploit library was also "burned" in the pyre.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, what, you mean they moved from py ? to what, ada ?
mircea_popescu: "i'm gonna rape you" "i dun believe" *rapes her* "tee hee, my filling is stil lattached to this cavity"
mircea_popescu: these you somehow transform into i have nfi what, but the fact remains : whether the cock went through the cervix into the uter or not,
asciilifeform: ~none of the affected systems are in use today outside of the most godforsaken orclands.
mircea_popescu: a) there is no dispute from you that this was actually their shit ; b) apparently so much is available some of actually their shit can be freely distributed, in gb sized portions.
asciilifeform: (and certainly not interesting enough to disclaim 'hangout' hypothesis.)
asciilifeform: i even believe in the authenticity of the cisco crud, it is simply not esp. interesting
asciilifeform: i'll believe, when, e.g., the recipe for taking 100MB of aes ciphertext and distilling out the key, is posted.
asciilifeform: 'crown jewel' is, at the very least, something nontrivial from cryptodirectorate.
asciilifeform: cisco garbage is not 'crown jewel' to asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-noose, https://archive.is/gsdsL << summary of nsa turd. accurate per my own read.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 19:59 mircea_popescu: but it's certainly quite deep. the vermin doesn't merely aim to a comfortable existence, but more importantly to a memory-less situation.
asciilifeform: mass of chumps is modelled as idiot machine, that dun care that you had previously tried 999,999,999 wrong passwords, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'split fuzzing', note, is how lizard folk approach virtually ~every~ problem - even the production of 'musicians' by disney, etc.
mircea_popescu: so now back to the issue : we have some semblance of defense against what is in fact a universal problem ; they don't, and are in denial. as per the cannonical expression of this situation, http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-147.267-153.105
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:21 mircea_popescu: not that it's a novel, or worthy idea.
mircea_popescu: which brings us full circle to why exactly it is that universal butchery http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523317 : by making fewer people you DO make the problem "go away" ; but you resolve naught. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: nobody in the time of voltaire had retina burns from laser watching.
mircea_popescu: historically, it was ensured by exactly the same process that ensures you can find your goat in http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ - which is to say low pop density and the necessary orcishness therein produced will "protect" you in the sense not having lasers protects you from shining them in your eyes.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:13 phf: Framedragger: i was young and a bum, i recognized all these people because my entertainment machine would reinforce their presence for me. "oh jwz is talking. oh now it's ptacek. oh it's paul graham! squee". but they were always in a different category from say norvig or knuth or naggum. once i started doing and learning (i.e. painfully read knuth, rather than just have him on my shelf) i finally was able to grok the difference.
mircea_popescu: this point is valid, the only problem is that it mostly discusses THE STATE. yes, every fiat entity has the incentive to eventually pivot ; and they all do. the derps are currently insulated from this by the momentary happenstance that the thieves are in a compact, called "the state", and everyone left outside is well... not someone you'll hear about. because exactly of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523303 "entertainment ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:12 mircea_popescu: this is ~half of the usg "national security" plan, except they suck at both modelling and implementation.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523293 << by the way, i don't think the implication of that discussion can't possibly be understated. for instance, it is a common etatist criticism of "what they call bitcoin" so really, tmsr, that "everyone running a business has an incentive to eventually run so eventually will" sort of thing. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:33 phf: but when i made it to the first startup school, my reaction was "nerds trying to be businessmen, stick to doing nerd things". it took me many years to understand how their fundamental views made them not only suck at life, but also fucked up the computing.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523334 << the memory hole effect. un-fucking-washable, for some god forsaken reason. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: actually, this guy died sovereign, over a rather enlarged moldavia (took mostly from poles, lithuanians etc). he left testamentarily that "listen to your old shepherd, deal with the turks ; unlike the russians, the turks keep their word"
asciilifeform: sequel: ... the general puts on brown pants, epic battle, he shits pants, loses half of army, but - just barely - wins. but next years... 'sir, whole army of the turk is here.' .... 'bring my miniskirt.'
phf: proper voievod like, knows when to bleed and when to shit his pants
mircea_popescu: next year, my lord, the turks are coming ? "a lot ?" well... suleiman himself, 1mn infantry, more horse than previously known to exist in the world, etc
mircea_popescu: so they go, beat the turks back over danube, take trophies, build monastery, rape the nuns etc.
mircea_popescu: but why the red ones majesty ? well... if i get hurt, the troops won't see the blood and won't lose heart.
mircea_popescu: so joke is, vornic comes to stephen, my lord, the turks are coming. "a lot ?" well... there's the vidin pasha with maybe 100k jannisary + etc
mircea_popescu: this guy, legendary ro leader, fought something like 50 encounters with the turks, won over 90%. including you know, crazy shit with 1.x mn men on opposing side.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:43 phf: mircea_popescu: in orcland, we have game, we put colored pants on people, and let them be our heroes. their pants distinguish their status in hierarchy
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523186 << btw speaking of this, you know about stephen the great's pants ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:23 Framedragger: (also, ha, just saw the star wars parallel)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523127 << wasn't a star wars reference ; it was a concordat of worms reference. you know, with the guelphs ghibelines et all ☝︎
asciilifeform: experimented successfully with storing a double-digit million sum of euros in cash at what the insurer describes as a manageable cost. A few other German banks, including Commerzbank, the country's second-biggest lender, have also considered taking the step. But when a Swiss pension fund attempted to withdraw a large sum of money from its bank in order to store it in a vault, the bank refused to provide the cash, according to local m
asciilifeform: 'After the European Central Bank's most recent rate cut in March, private-sector banks are paying what amounts to an annual levy of 0.4 per cent on most of the funds they keep at the eurozone's 19 national central banks. ... but private bankers and insurers are already thinking of creative ways to avoid those charges altogether. One way is by turning the electronic money they keep at central banks into cold, hard cash. Munich Re has
phf: but when i made it to the first startup school, my reaction was "nerds trying to be businessmen, stick to doing nerd things". it took me many years to understand how their fundamental views made them not only suck at life, but also fucked up the computing. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:31 mircea_popescu: i perceive the following problem : in my (rightful) bashing of idiocies (allinged around "colored coins", "dao" etc, that jazz) i distinctly hear the crushed hopes of people who look at those as a refuge from something else, specifically. i suspect it's hwqat you call "anarchists"
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523161 << you know, that's an apt characterization, and i think you're right re that second group of wanna-be anarchists; true, probably. and i am aware that tmsr regards bitcoin *quite* differently indeed, which manifests in the block size discussion etc. yeah. ☝︎
phf: fractional snr, and only because there's a few paragraphs about how they used clisp at yahoo stores)
phf: i don't really think his message changed, it's just that he started talking about different things. there's the lisper period and then the hackernew/yc/startupschool period. i knew of him, because of the excellent On Lisp book, so i read hackers and painters when it came out, and read that dabblers and blowhards article when it came out, possibly because i thought that hackers and painters was awful (the book literally has low
Framedragger: (i may be mistaken about the actual number of years)
asciilifeform: i have them here.
Framedragger: so it makes sense for someone who got acquainted with him earlier to regard him more highly
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the man had two - entirely acceptable - school textbooks on common lisp, in 1990s.
Framedragger: and he wrote that book, quite earlier than that
Framedragger: before, he would try to keep his focus on lisp
Framedragger: phf: probably ~7 years ago, give or take; i predict what you're going to say: in 2009, he was already spewing too much nonsense
mircea_popescu: not that it's a novel, or worthy idea. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which is how people end up with the notion of butchering most of the extant walkers.
Framedragger: s/just to me/just ftr/
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: just to me, any dreams of "global anarchist revolt" *are* lost on me (i'm terribly naive but not *that* naive). personal responsibility and individualism (vague word, i know) are necessary conditions. and.. yeah, i don't have much hope for humanity, given that... ☟︎
Framedragger: phf: ha, nice. well, fair. (it made me warm inside to recall that i *never* took paul graham for much; anyone who reads only a bit by him on stuff that they know something about will realize this; e.g. http://idlewords.com/2005/04/dabblers_and_blowhards.htm (this is the "website obesity" guy))
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is almost literally what played out in the heathen pit today.
mircea_popescu: gets lulziest when they encounter people who do not want to exchange their life for a fetish, and then explode into "putin doesn't understand how the world works!!1"
mircea_popescu: ironically, people in the contemporary, anglo sense of that term WANT to be these empty identities. no idea why or how; but imo much more serious a threat to anarchism than any kind of authority.
asciilifeform: the particular flavour of tptacek's dismissal of phuctor suggests that it was his 'now do your duty' moment.
mircea_popescu: more like, a good chunk of what this stable of uselessness tries to argue its usefulness from, is their utter failure to do anything about things like phuctor, misrepresented.
asciilifeform: a good chunk of what the 'genius splitters' are kept around for is to be blown on annoyances like phuctor.