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asciilifeform: as you pointed out, 'get' if live enough. and it will be a 'maybe-works' product, rather than what you want, necessarily.
girlattorney: not for free, they pay it with debt, but still as user i get the product
girlattorney: considering that government run it for free if you live enough to wait for them
asciilifeform: get quote from 2-3 telcos or whatever is to be had where you are
girlattorney: still too much expensive
girlattorney: i asked to the local fiberman, they quoted me 5k USD to dig up to my premise and lay fiber
asciilifeform: ip-over-dead-goat doesn't cut it, people have tried ☟︎
asciilifeform: aa aa, i read it backwards, thought it was re 'usg deny' rather than 'deny usg' lol
a111: Logged on 2015-07-24 00:06 mircea_popescu: in any case : the front against the usg in the cyber world is only going to strengthen the way it's going. within a decade we will see full area denial in the sense that no govt anything will still run online.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-24#1211049 is either reference or early disclosure, wtf where did i put the cannonical form ☝︎
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if you can recall coupla details re thread, i can prolly remember it
girlattorney: and for me it's a pain cause i'm behind a VDSL connection. No FTTH. Copper attenuation is still a real thing and the modem likes to reboot
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
asciilifeform: tunnel method worx, but imposes considerably overhead, girlattorney , you will want to get a serious pipe. i don't imagine it is a painful expense for attourney
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, do you happen to have handy where in log i outlined strategy, "first, deny usg use of network, then deny use of land" etc ?
girlattorney: to change the myip parameter
girlattorney: so everytime I cycle the modem i also need to cycle my box
asciilifeform: why incidentally , do you need the tunnel ? thoroughly rotten residential isp that blocks all ports ?
girlattorney: currently i'm trying to obtain IP space, after i'll announce my node
asciilifeform: the place for this, traditionally, is here, in #t.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: which is why you want to advertise at least 1 of your nodes , in your fleet, publicly, to other trb folx
asciilifeform: girlattorney: the gold standard for 'is my trb node publicly reachable?' is : to connect to it from another trb node.
girlattorney: i hope so, cause i was starting to thinking that TRB getting stuck fetching the last blocks could because the local address
asciilifeform: i will sign (and expect that other folx also will)
asciilifeform: girlattorney: feel free to submit vpatch for it.
asciilifeform: the default gets spuriously printed prior to arg being parsed, this is arguably ~harmless but bug.
girlattorney: behind a nat there is no way to tell TRB to ignore the 1st addrLocalHost
girlattorney: when i ran TRB in a box with a public routable address, there also was the double addrLocalHost, but always with the same public routable address
girlattorney: first there is a addrLocalHost, then another addrLocalHost
girlattorney: because is in the log
asciilifeform: so what makes you think it is announcing your local ip ?
girlattorney: already doing that in the log that i linked
asciilifeform: like that.
girlattorney: yes, i'm able to connect externally, my question is: can i tell TRB to not announce my local address?
asciilifeform: girlattorney: you gotta set the public addr ~manually~
asciilifeform: worth to see whether it actually works ( can connect to the public addr from another net ? )
girlattorney: still it gets the local address aside from the specified myip
girlattorney: but i'm using a tunnel
asciilifeform: for 'adult' trb node, you will want to route public ip to it
girlattorney: 5.* is the address specified with myip
girlattorney: 10.* is address of the NAT box
asciilifeform was about to ask 'so what kinda attourney...' but noticed that mp_en_viaje already ask
asciilifeform: girlattorney: you will definitely want to talk to BingoBoingo when he wakes up, about www hosting.
asciilifeform: you carry out mod6's build recipe ~on~ the arm box
asciilifeform: instead get working linux and toolchain on the arm box, then build w/ mod6's system.
girlattorney: so i can just cp -r the dir already compiled on x86 on the arm board?
asciilifeform: no need to cross compile unless you're building for something too small to run gcc itself ( and chances are it won't run trb , if so small , as with 'pogo' )
asciilifeform: girlattorney: mod6's build system ( based on asciilifeform's earlier 2015 'rotor' (see logs) ) builds first a frozen-in-amber gcc & friends, ~then~ the depds (db etc) , ~then~ trb per se
girlattorney: crosscompile on x86_64 is too hassle or it's worth the time to change the parameters on makefile?
asciilifeform: if you have a working toolchain now, you can build and be up & running in 40min. or so.
girlattorney: (want to sell, still haven't compiled on ARM)
mp_en_viaje: more powa to you.
girlattorney: i get your point, i just sell them because i get my %
asciilifeform: witness e.g. the various folx who publicly nervous breakdown from 'i threw out disk with keys, could have been rich!111' etc
mp_en_viaje: the whole fucking point of being part of btc in the first place is so that your life as you used to prior live it becomes strictly impossible.
asciilifeform: even if mp_en_viaje hadn't said, illiterate folx still 'cannot be part', they will kill selves with elementary coarse error of pilotage
mp_en_viaje: i don't care what those people "want", or think they do -- they can't be part of btc because i say so.
mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, "being part of btc without messing technically" is like having sex without getting naked.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: trb is more like kalashnikov than television set. i.e. can be made 'user friendly' only to a point.
girlattorney: mp_en_viaje in my case i'm talking about 50-60 years people that want to be part of BTC without messing technically. Like, i go to their premises, attach the ethernet cable and explain how to send/receive/backup and then flee
mp_en_viaje: i think you should put this in your offer / sales materials. proeminently.
asciilifeform: it's a notbad idea. BingoBoingo i think you already have the parts.
mp_en_viaje: let the buyer do what he will with the chain, is the diea
mp_en_viaje: yes, but still, dc delivery better than mail delivery.
asciilifeform: trb btw still retains the ancient mechanism where 'try to avoid connecting to >1 peer on same 24block'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is easy to do, only rub is that there are already 3 ( 4? ) trb nodes at piz, all on 1 ip block, and sharing a quite modest pipe.
girlattorney: 200 USD? that's the cost of the bare hw, (arm + ssd). At least 400 USD
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you know what ? the right way to go about this would be to offer pizarro customers pre-populated disks on demand. ☟︎
asciilifeform: if answer is 'no', then net is seriously ill. if 'yes can avoid', then why buy canned db.
asciilifeform: girlattorney, mp_en_viaje : the fundamental problem is that bitcoin per se is, arguably, an exercise in 'can avoid getting all blocks from 1 trusted peer ?'
mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, so sell his, get 2 bitcents or w/e for your trouble
mp_en_viaje: a, i guess no treally, if she's already up to 580k
girlattorney: of course there is some trust in the middle
girlattorney: i also plan to sell them, because i have some people that i know irl that want their node but they do not want to wait 20 or 30 days
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: defo, all of the moving parts already in place for it. ( and apparently nao there is a $49 pogo-cum-2GB ? )
mp_en_viaje: i recall. but now there's actual demand, lol.
a111: 4 results for "cement trb", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cement%20trb
asciilifeform: !#s cement trb
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i actually suggested this, in '17
mp_en_viaje: ~this could even be s.nsa product~ you know. "we ship you either 1tb ssd or 2tb ssd formatted for 1tb with the current blockchain"
mp_en_viaje: test it on their own software.
mp_en_viaje: her idea's not without some merit, one could just buy the datafiles.
asciilifeform: but 'cold start' is important test of 'network health'
asciilifeform: girlattorney: it is already rare for trb people to do 'cold start', usually they 'light smoke' from existing
girlattorney: instead the newcomer will need to buy a premade box
girlattorney: asciilifeform and for this reason i think that in a couple of years it won't have sense anymore doing a cold start
asciilifeform: this means that it rejects almost all inputs during initial couple of weeks of operation.
asciilifeform: and ditto tx for whom the referenced output is not yet in any received block
asciilifeform: trb, unlike prb, does not accept blocks 'on credit' (i.e. ones for whom the antecedent block is not yet on the disk) ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: this adds up to quite heavy load.
asciilifeform: recall also that even during 'cold start sync', node is still attempting to operate as a node. it will be bombarded with tx from the peers, and (unsurprisingly) will walk the db and typically not find the referenced block , at given time (cuz it doesn't have it yet)
asciilifeform: ~95% of cpu cycles (as measured by asciilifeform in '16) of trb, is spend waiting for disk.
mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, hmm, that is pretty weird then.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, and likewise slow netstack unwind and all sorta things.
mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, so wait, is this delayed trb running on a vps or on its own colocated box ?
mp_en_viaje is satisfied that the "i'm 0 to a dozen or so blocks behind at all times, varying" is mostly due to scheduling issues related to the visor management of the vps and its resources.
girlattorney: i have a physical box, never said i was hosting. Just saying that if you want to move across the internet a synced node, today is a pain
asciilifeform: that's the gold standard, yes, physical box, w/ ssd, running strictly trb, and on serious (preferably industrial, but top-of-class residential fiber also worx) pipe
mp_en_viaje: lol so then get yourself a proper box, and have fun.
girlattorney: you can split it, etc.... but nothing beats having your box ready to be attached to ethernet and sync 100-200 blocks