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mircea_popescu: fine, whatever unquenchable permariots. the paris stuff.
mircea_popescu: because if he perceives too many, he's going to go "fuck you, and your laws, and your union"
mircea_popescu: no, but her ability to continue in relevance is a strict function of how many mrs smith johnny perceives a day.
mircea_popescu: you know, peacible grasshoppers suddenly change mode because they got touched on the toes by others too many times.
mircea_popescu: well, actually, i suspect old gals is more of a burden, but who knows.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that scheme only works when there's few old guys.
mircea_popescu: sure. they also fuck her, then they go have a drink with the first gang, exchange impressions.
mircea_popescu: hires a different gang of thugs to... kill the first gang ?
mircea_popescu: suppose kim kardashian goes around drunk in the bad part of detroit, gets raped by a gang of thugs
mircea_popescu: Adlai you don't understand. there's nothing more readily cohesive of a group than hatred for old people.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, my favourite discussion of the topic is balzac. eugenie grandet.
mircea_popescu: part of the reason there's going to be blood is that there's too many old people.
mircea_popescu: 40yo male, with a buncha chicks. 20 yo male, in a group of derps.
mircea_popescu: but see... because of the "nonviolent principle" or w/e, it doesnt HAVE TO adapt anymore.
mircea_popescu: only way to select people now is age, which explains disasters like nanci pelosi
mircea_popescu: the west did too, for... well... "fairness" i guess, same bs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's the normally sclerotic reaction of society to a dissolution of values
mircea_popescu: something the us is getting more and more acquainted with.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, the commies were very well familiar with the problem of just-wont-fucking-die-already dinosaurs
mircea_popescu: undata i recall reading this east-side of cold war story (rdg it was i think ?), about the drink that bestowed immortality, and how obnoxious old people were, 700+ yo clinging on to life to "see who wins whatever games"
mircea_popescu: Adlai i have no idea, but i suspect your conviction is more informed by a faint whiff of a personal desire to survive/fear of death than anything else.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to moderately possible within a few thousand years ?
mircea_popescu: if queen dies newborn queen emerges almost immediately.
mircea_popescu: Adlai generally most ant colonies have emergency backups always ready
mircea_popescu: Adlai maybe, but i'm very wary of recent brainscience.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or with an entirely non-interactive and ultimately easily described physical system that you simply don't grasp yet. << incidentally, the brain seems to fit this quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: perhaps except for the queen, but that's an endless discussion.
mircea_popescu: well it all started with you asking for a definition of ai.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> any computer program of which identifiable components can be unambiguously named is not capable of displaying AI. << this obviously requires you to be allowed under the hood.
mircea_popescu: when intelligences meet without that basis, superamazement ensues.
mircea_popescu: so we eliza-recognise what WE do on the grounds of culture and convention
mircea_popescu: this is counterintuitive, because we're very ethnicallyclose, so to speak,
mircea_popescu: well, this definition is, "when you recognise what's being done, but neither why nor how, you're confronted with intelligence"
mircea_popescu: say if you showed this process to 1k randomly selected 5 yos, would they say "it built itself a house" ?
mircea_popescu: so your argument is that ant meets my definition of ai ?
mircea_popescu: see, that "intend to go" is exactly why the preoccupation with non identifiability.
mircea_popescu: if the machine ends up housed within a house of its own making at the end of a process which was not either understood or its endpoint predictable by observers, well... iut;'s intelligent.
mircea_popescu: while no identifiable part of the code deals with housebuilding.
mircea_popescu: a good example would be, a spontaneous determination to build itself a house,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well, the only way to build one may be to first build a planet, then let cnc evolve.
mircea_popescu: i superficially suspect this discussion proves there can never be turing ai.,
mircea_popescu: well yeah but if it did violate restatement then either i'm wrong or no ai can be made to run on lisp machine.
mircea_popescu: o for sure, im not even getting into the point of the article. i just went on a tangent for objection reasons, like i do.
mircea_popescu: any computer program of which identifiable components can be unambiguously named is not capable of displaying AI.
mircea_popescu: that thing IS intelligent, just like me and you and the dragonfly.
mircea_popescu: mp's lemma of artificial intelligence requires any computer program that exhibits in fact ai to depend in its functioning on the naming of its functions, and that self-metaprogramming be a part of its working.
mircea_popescu: that's what thought is, entirely, all the time : suggestively named strings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but my point is that this argument misses the very point of what thought is.
mircea_popescu: but since the article spoke of "substance" in thought... well...
mircea_popescu: not that any of these subtle considerations have any sort of practical effect or importance,
mircea_popescu: nor, ironically, are actual logic processing machines all that intelligent.