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mircea_popescu: "this cunt is not for sale - she has great future in front of her, going to college"
mod6: but! think of the alt! Sitting there playing wow while pumped full of antibiotics and just shitting in place for months at a time seems like it'd save on costs.
mircea_popescu: aha, the equivalent of the boarded up bank-house
adlai: asciilifeform: true
asciilifeform: mod6: same reason they went in 1900. to be kept out of labour market.
mod6: An honest question to ponder for our times: "Why the fuck do US kids even go to school anymore ?"
mircea_popescu: don't confuse what one can do with what's to be done.
asciilifeform: adlai: must also point out, 'read signed document and then found matching pubkey' still conceivably leaves you behind a 'great firewall' where all pgp sigs visible match chairman mao's key perfectly
mircea_popescu: it is possible to eat shit, as an individual. it is not possible to enact a shiteating diet.
mod6: like this: "What the fuck is wrong with these people." << i mean right?
adlai: it is possible to trust (up to a certain minimal degree) keys encountered "in the wild"
asciilifeform: (or worse yet, they encrypt a transmission ~to~ a key without any attempt at climbing to it in their actual wot)
mircea_popescu: " However, this is something that Joe can evaluate by himself, without having any need for Moe, and without needing to ask him anything" <<
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> o hai << hey! also had some lulz reading part III of Rodger on the train.
mircea_popescu: i thought at least re ratings it was obvious from original wot article.
asciilifeform: adlai: currently there is a very comical situation where chumps download a pubkey, from ?????, and then try to authenticate published material (found on mitmable www sites, naturally) ~TO~ it, rather than the reverse (found signed material, then determined matching pubkey)
adlai wonders whether this extends to the entire notion of s/pubkeys/ratings/, too
mircea_popescu: pretense to the contrary has a cost ; and we're not gonna be paying it.
asciilifeform: adlai: the entire notion of pubkeys posted publicly in a way that implies that strangers can take and use'em for something, is probably going away.
mircea_popescu: the whole thread was about how key owner does NOT control the process in any shape or form. this is the logical equivalent of "the organism pumping blood through the tits does not control the tit pinching that goes on with the tits."
adlai: trinque: i think you're describing an imaginary system that doesn't actually exist in any of the existing wotbots/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-25#1529385 << the very notion of gaming on a laptop... ☝︎
trinque: sure there is; hash of last signed rating
asciilifeform: adlai: this is not the only problem with concept of 'revocation'.
adlai: wasn't the whole thread about the fact that there's no unquestionable ordering?
adlai: (rationale for spamming: it's not a lot of data, and adding a cost to the process gives the process a cost)
trinque: deeded requires signed, and if the right material is signed, doesn't need to be a deed.
adlai: re: the revocation thread from a couple days ago: why not require/expect keys, ratings, and revocations to be at least deeded, or better yet, spammed into the chain itself?
mircea_popescu: i was talking to him!
adlai: ok ok you're right, they twisted my toenails until i screamed my password
mod6: <+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 success ... this is the coolest thing yet. << nice! thanks for testing that :]
asciilifeform: and here i thought this only 'happened' to old folks.
asciilifeform: 'My laptop was getting slower and slower. It wasn’t a very powerful laptop, but it was the only computer I had to play WoW on. This was really frustrating me, because eventually it became so slow that it ruined my gaming experience. I kept pestering my mother and father to get me a faster laptop that was more efficient for gaming.' (from rodger part 4) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4081d4dc-d5c8-4ca5-808a-7bae8a13c05a/?raw=true << possibly of interest
jurov: mats: no surprise, skype was originally p2p and using port 80 has an advantage there
phf: ok. recovery code seems to be working, except for that changing host issue
phf: ok, i'll fix that later
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu described this algo for reddit, easily applicable here.
asciilifeform: now somebody oughta generate crapolade keys for the names which signed the 'non-gag' ones, and sign the gags, etc.
asciilifeform: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=gavin+andresen << lulzy - the sheer number of obvious gag keys for gavin
shinohai: It all seems too perfect.
shinohai: thestringpuller: and do you like how he is now unwittingly officially the face of their ponzi
phf: oh, it definitely works. i can load a previous core and that same set of patches passes
asciilifeform: when you attempt the thing the ffi does, but using bare hands
phf: you mean do i call out to a v? no, it ~is~ a v
thestringpuller: https://steemit.com/story/@charlieshrem/a-geek-in-prison-a-life-series-by-charlie-shrem-preamble << So charlie shrem is 100% socialist now after going to club fed.
asciilifeform: i dun think i've ever sigsegv'd a pure-lisp process that didn't (safety 0)
phf: i figured, but i suspect it's a much more mundate explanation. nothing's change in gpg/gpgme setup from the previous core, so this must be something novel in the way cmucl is packing itself to a core file, or perhaps it's not reloading those foreign libs properly ☟︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is specifically interested in the 'foo' in 'gpg --blah .... < foo' -> sigsegv
phf: and the way i'm using it is non-traditional (or perhaps very traditional depending on how you look at it)
phf: asciilifeform: fwiw, cmucl has all kinds of nooks and crannies that i don't want to bring up on account of our recurring "why cmucl" conversation ☟︎
asciilifeform: is there a gpg segfault in /var/log/messages ?
phf: i rebuilt the core from scratch since there was a handful of reload-breaking updates, and that's first thing i'm getting on load
phf: i wouldn't be surprised if somebody sets safety 0, that's something that i should actually grep for, but i think it's gpgme that's doing it
asciilifeform: (ffi to c crapola ?)
asciilifeform: phf: do you have a (safety 0) in there or wat
asciilifeform: phf: is this a routine cmuclism ?
phf: heh, well, this is promising "Error in function UNIX::SIGSEGV-HANDLER: Segmentation Violation at #xF7A94D06."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Unless, of course, the text is the product of an unrelated adult, whose involvement with the whole thing is not emotional nor personal, and who therefore simply forgot about that detail.' << sorta like the fire-proof, bomb-proof, smudge-proof passports invariably found on corpse of every 'dead terrorist' in usa.
asciilifeform: phf: on the level of ft meade's 'star trek captain's chair' (one of the recent demented generals literally had one installed) - quite certainly.
phf: who would've thought that actual "cyberwarfare" would be exactly like those old cyberpunk games. "you have 1 iceBr34ker that you can deploy againt level3 nav agent v4, there's 15 of those agents, choose wisely"
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-four/ << Trilema - The Story of Elliot Rodger. By Elliot Rodger. Adnotated. Part Four.
mircea_popescu: up there with popeye (the drawn, not the filmed)
mircea_popescu: easily the most ... advanced cartoon character of the classical era.
mircea_popescu: donald duck had tons of edge, you kidding me ?
asciilifeform: rather than 1 spread across 1,000,001 maggots
asciilifeform: in at least that there was only 1 of him
phf: asciilifeform: donald duck had edge compared to all these clowns
asciilifeform vaguely recalls article from decade ago where some dude with an idle gc/ms setup actually ordered a coupla dozen spam viagras & tested, but lost link long ago
asciilifeform: and i suspect that there is a journatard bootcamp somewhere, where they make this haircut. why have i seen 1,001 turdmeisters with it..?
phf: https://twitter.com/tonymerevick/status/401494704136937472 "Tony Merevick joined BuzzFeed as a reporter in the fall of 2013 to focus on national LGBT news. He is the co-founder and former editor-in-chief of Chicago Phoenix, an innovative LGBT news startup in the Midwest." about self "Cities News Editor @Thrillist. Formerly @BuzzFeedNews. Coffee, wine, and bourbon, please. Send tips to tony@thrillist.com"
asciilifeform: y'know, thing ~is~ a flying arse, even if donald duck were the one to point it out.
phf: i'm glad TONY MEREVICK pictured here https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/1757937/size/tl-author_web.jpg has an opinion about the shape of £25m flying machine
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not much of a prop comic myself. you're the one bringing little boards and probiscii and whatnot!
mircea_popescu: (this also plays out in the harem, esp with mid-recent girls. she gets in trouble, then gets in trouble and catches the beating of her life for having forgotten what she got in trouble for.)
asciilifeform pictures first day of mircea_popescu's lecture. n00bz walk in, find small road cone on each chair. 'no, gentlemen, these are glued on. have a seat.'
mircea_popescu: "if the victim perceives they have the luxury to shut down memory, they're evidently not petrified enough."
BingoBoingo: phf: At this point it seems all the Muricans want to be "The Hunter S. Thompson of" X
mircea_popescu: she'll remember it for the entire rest of her life, long after she's forgotten the face of her first husband.
trinque: not upon the snake to un-snake
trinque: but one can say that it is upon the student to nut-up and stop being afraid in the face of the snake
phf: misguided dedication to old world tradition, trying to parrot french cafe culture, etc.
phf: BingoBoingo: i have no idea what their endgame was, i think that they had some old fashioned notion of bad student, that they were committed to living out for as long their livers last. to be fair a "brilliant", but "misunderstood" alcoholic student is a european stereotype (it used to be mocked, but then there's a handful of books, where their genius is recognized type deal). i think u.s. philosophy majors carry alcoholism as a kind of
trinque: being afraid at useful times, sure
diana_coman: myeah, the what do you feel or even what do you think is just a bone to pick with current idiocy , nothing to do with what I was saying
trinque: which runs contrary to learning
trinque: diana_coman was commenting on the biological fact that being permanently afraid shuts down memory retention
mircea_popescu: "so mr elliot, do you think it's fair that bijective functions have to also be continuos to qualify ?"
diana_coman: mouse just gets eaten though; snake can have lots of wisdom to impart to those who are fascinated by it, but those who go over into petrified are just its food
a111: Logged on 2016-08-25 14:45 mircea_popescu: this is because you also don't grasp the concept of "learning" correctly. there is no required participation of the fucking subject in learning actual matter, such as philosophy. if i were teaching them cooking i'd be interested in their own fucking contribution and whatever. but the point of philosophy is to shut the fuck up and LEARN. what "the text makes you think" and what "you feel about X" is entirely uninteresting, bec
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-25#1529264 << nobody asks the maggot recruits 'what they feel' in maths lecture either, wtf ☝︎
BingoBoingo: phf: Kinda why I switched to Library School on a different campus. That and the "hold pattern for a decade and phd" thing lost its appeal.
phf: BingoBoingo: the whole group was like a walking stereotype. a tall sickly looking polish guy with bowl haircut. an italian with unruly hair who was pretending to be an upper-class englishman. i don't think i've ever seen them sober, i suspect they were pretty dull otherwise
mircea_popescu: what is this pillar nonfigurative nonsense.
mircea_popescu: besides, if you were god wouldn't you make them sald-shaped dicks ?
shinohai: If this were so, Southern US would contain more salt than the mines of Siberia, to hear evangelicals speak.
mircea_popescu: (the snake is, for merit, the symbol of wisdom, by the way. specifically that in the mice's reaction to it, they bring to mind philosophy students in a half decent oxford class.)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman in english, "petrified" denotes the situation of the mouse beset by snake, who can't move away ; not the situation of sodomites turned to salt by a vengeful god.
mircea_popescu: they should totally make an app which gives you "secret loot" when you butcher people.
BingoBoingo: OMG Tragedy! Neckbeard kills endangered species!