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trinque: and not
trust
then get your dick out and dive in blind
trinque: no.
trust because it's good code,
then know who
to blame for
the good code
mircea_popescu: but
to
the more general point,
the system provides no incentives for acting sanely for any peculiar definition of sanity, and provides shocking, oversized downside for fucking up.
this is exactly as it should be : sanity as an emergent behaviour out of defined limitations of
the world. it is exactly opposite of how
the empire
tries
to work, of course, and in
the process
turns everyone into a version of elliot.
Framedragger: i mean a simpler
thing: if people here
trust each others' code more,
that's a good
thing, and *all other
things being equal* (crucial assumption),
that code should be preferred. no?
Framedragger: limnoria is written in python. of course
there is incentive for
teh republic
to use republic's own inventions, no doubt.
Framedragger: just ftr / in
truth, when i mentioned "implementing
the bot part", i only meant implementing
the particular "cite irc lines etc" functionality on
top; because
the rest is done. in particular,
the best solution (before checking out
trinque's) seems
to be limnoria, which is an updated and maintained extension of supybot (which gribble uses).
Framedragger: trinque: great, and
that sounds like a very sane design.
trinque: idea is
that wotbot functions have a genesis vpatch, google whatever, its own v
tree, so on
trinque: right. in
this case I challenge anyone
to find a need for a second patch on
those modules
themselves, rather
than creating a genesis vpatch for
their own module which
talks
to
the db in postgres.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and don't even fucking "oh i'll v
them later".
the whole point of v is
to
teach you how
to code like a sane person.
mircea_popescu: the most important point : and if you make changes
to it, V
THEM
trinque: Framedragger: so if you
take a look at
that
there logbot... new logs are shat into postgresql. lines
to be spoken by bot are read from another
table.
Framedragger: trinque: ah fuck, sorry, i'm used
to my state explaining what
there is in
the world, i guess ://
trinque: dude lets just be
the fucking republic of irc bots
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: should i
then proceed
to implement
the bot-part of
the logs,
too? if phf's bot part can be reused,
then
that's great,
too. i guess i can investigate
mircea_popescu: odds are he's gonna check in about an hour
to vacation-ruining news. WHCH SHOULD BE A FUCKING LESSON
TO ALL!!11
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: wait, you mean rewriting references
to log lines in your (e.g.) blog? understand, i didn't retrospectively import *past* logs into
the viewer yet. (but i will, now.)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ok, don't bother, i'll just re-redo
the fucking references. and you'll have
to re-redo
them in
the log itself also. but
that'll be it.
Framedragger: if it's a deterministic system and not based on some internal db id increment
thing
then it can and probably should be replicated.
Framedragger: you mean permalinks
to any given irc line? no. i don't know how phf's numbers work but can probably dig it out
mircea_popescu: Framedragger does your url system follow
the same structure as present log ?
Framedragger: okok, enough with
the not-committing shit. i agree, and apologize for getting on people's nerves, possibly. i will extend
the
thing's features. complaints and requests welcome
trinque: at any rate, I'm going
to dedicate my
time
to peeling
the wot mechanics into
their own lisp system, such
that I can publish
that next, rather
than log viewer.
that is, provided Framedragger delivers.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger
the universal problem with
the alias system is
that no
two identical
things exist in
this world.
trinque admits
the knaves growing up is
the better case
mircea_popescu: if i was going
to play with little plastic figurines i'd buy
those!
Framedragger: would be nice.
talking of it, makes sense
to put more CNAMEs under .trilema.com.
mircea_popescu: heh. yeah, see ? exactly what i said above :
this is why management pisses on heads etc. because
the only solution
to unreliable knaves is centralism.
Framedragger: but if people decide
to actually use it
then i should implement "previous day browser / buttons" asap because
the current (choose from list of days)
thing is really
too simplistic.
trinque: I propose we get a domain going elsewhere which we cname
to whichever current log viewer.
mircea_popescu: god damned it, now i'm gonna have
to fish out old logs for a yet another
time ? grrr.
trinque: Framedragger: what are you using
to feed it?
mircea_popescu: i assumed so, but i've had it with
this "oh, you can't process
the logs when you have
time
to process
the logs because logviewer software is made by argentina."
Framedragger: look, it sounds like an excuse, but i assumed
that phf's btcbase will remain
the canonical viewer. making extended effort at redundancy *is* sometimes inefficient, even if educational.
mircea_popescu: alright,
then i'ma inhibit
trinque for
the i dunno, fifth
time and give your
thing a
try.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i won't
try yours, because i just said i'm not interested in
this "it works, no promises
though" approach
to anything. it's not a way
to live. i'm not committing downstream
to your napkin doodle.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: did you
try mine
though?
the web side of
thing. it *does* work, fwiw
mircea_popescu: trinque can ye get a www log
thing
that actually works ?
mircea_popescu: are you aware
that
this inane behaviour is why everything you don't like about
the world ?
this is why you don't get
the same
tax breaks as actual professionals.
this is why
the entire field is dominated by "management"
that pisses on your heads.
this is ALL OF IT, here. right fucking here.
trinque: I did not
take
this on because phf volunteered his
thing.
mircea_popescu: it is
the nature of
the boy "interested in computers"
to no do anything useful with his hands, what.
Framedragger: hey i wrote
this for myself for when phf is out in his desert ;)
Framedragger: yeah giving phf logs from multiple places and having a mechanism for
this would be nice
mircea_popescu: no dude no more of
these quick hacks sorta-kinda-i'm not really involved bs.
mircea_popescu: i'm gonna have
to fucking change all my references on
trilema AGAIN ? what
the fuck already.
trinque: writing $seen for it is
trivial.
trinque: before we go reimplementing bots
the rest of our lives, remember
that I published one
that logs
shinohai: no i decided
to vacation
too. mine bitched
too much
mircea_popescu: so how am i going
to read it and reference
things now.
mircea_popescu: but all
that is predicated on never actually engaging
the real problems, of course.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger watch
that not one single luminary of
the "modern democracy" derpage is going
to engage
the elliot story.
there's at least a million of
these "officer & gentleman" idiots who
think
themselves intellectuals and with something relevant
to say, and you know, understanding of nature and society.
mircea_popescu: BUT!
the dissonance field is strong. safely keeps each egg slowly rotting by itself in its own wrapper.
Framedragger: trilema as
tool
to cause epilepsy in dogmatized "free democratic" people does seem
to be a
thing, hm
mircea_popescu: there's at least
two dozen articles on
trilema of which any single one would be sufficient
to end
the world as it is among a
thinking set.
mircea_popescu: and i can
try
to breach it any way i want.
trilema is full of it.
there's a "oh, you'e in online marketing ? here's how i got millions of ''clicks'' worth whatever you pay for
them, free". mayn't notice. "can't say nigger ? here." mayn't!!11 "oh you
think so and so about education/rape/whatever ?" MAYNT!!111
Framedragger: heh! usg is undecidable. and keeps giving its people
tools
to
try more
things
mircea_popescu: basically
they can keep busy forever and never notice
they're not doing anyting.
mircea_popescu: it's more
than
that. it's also a lengthy list of "technology". it goes like
this : "to make
the earth banana shaped, buy
this and bury it in
the desert.
then
the next full moon measure
the parallax of neptune with
this
tool.
then depending on
that paralax go into any of
these states...." and
then
there's an endless list of further instructions.
Framedragger: (in unrelated lol, a remittance solution / bank
transfer service just emailed me with
the words "Yeah! We’ve just sent your money!" in
the subject line. i dunno, something about
the
tone resembling "fuck yah bro i just finished
the vodka!!" doesn't inspire confidence)
Framedragger: false belief in existence of optionality of how
to approach
things "on my own
terms", i guess you could say?
mircea_popescu: take
the general "entrepreneur",
take paul biggar as a much better example.
the kid is definitely intelligent. he wants
to be an entrepreneur. which is a word, which has a meaning. he proceeds
to usianize.
this FAILS
TO DELIVER, but a decade later he is STILL doing it. and apparently hasn't noticed ANYTHING about any of
this. why not ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Framedragger
there's really very little optionality involved. everyone has
to approach everything on
their own
terms ~because
that's all
they have~. only god and anthropologists can approach
things on
THEIR own
terms.
Framedragger: s/insist/to insist/ && s/unconciousness/unconsciousness/ i hate
typos
Framedragger: this particular
type of lack of self awareness in a broader context of "where am i" really
ties well with
the elliott dude, i dunno, some kind of deeper similarity imo
Framedragger: she does seem insist on some form of deliberate unconciousness huh.
the words of
the people
telling her
things just kinda wash away
mircea_popescu: they're not,
technically speaking, other lulz, but aaaaanyway.
mircea_popescu: then her future comes
to pass. and she's still
too busy with
the pretense
to notice. because
the one
thing usianism does is give people something
to be busy with. it's not particularly effectual at
the direct effect, you know, doing something for
them. but it is damned effective at KEEPING
THEM BUSY so
they don't notice. which is... just as good ?
mircea_popescu: then
the republic proceeds
to
tell her
the future. just like
that, nude. but she's
too busy keeping up
the pretense of existence
to notice
this. besides, who's ready
to interact with such ontologic monstrosities ? really, immediate access
to fate,
this is a
thing ?!
mircea_popescu: in other lulz,
the story of poor covertress is something else. so
the woman comes here
to you know, interact with
the republic on her own
terms. because she's a woman and a person ("an officer and a gentleman"!) and
therefore may even have her own
terms. everyone may! what's
this, rape ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i
think i'm finally... about
to... get
the point ://
Framedragger: ;;later
tell phf you may consider
https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ instead of digitalocean, or at least give it a
try as one of
them "bot mirrors"
that you'd mentioned.
there "BareMetal" (didn't
try) and VPS (down below - works as advertised, no formal benchmarks
tho). cheap.
Framedragger: finally
the senior cop says
that
there is a procedure but ideally it should be raised with a neutral policeperson and he'd be "biased" here. he says
this can be done online (and it indeed can). after some more back and fourth and with
the fella still full of angst we decide
to file
the
thing online and bid goodbye.
Framedragger: the fella
then approaches us (and my friend in particular who is insisting on raising a complaint with
the other cop), half a metre now maybe, and says "you
take your watch off", "what are you
thinking defending him", etc.
the cops slowly react by gently pulling
the fella away. not without a pause first