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mircea_popescu: i still don't see there's a difference.
mircea_popescu: aha ?
mircea_popescu: that's why if right now i change a rating, the old one's gone.
mircea_popescu: the wot reflects wqhat things ARE. not what they were.
mircea_popescu: what information was lost ?
mircea_popescu: also could, also easily.
mircea_popescu: could, easily.
mircea_popescu: we knowthis because he is here. you, are not.
mircea_popescu: whatever he wants.
mircea_popescu: leave the earth to better, later men.
mircea_popescu: once that's gone... main morte.
mircea_popescu: exactly like indicated. will exists for as long as the hand lives to enforce it
mircea_popescu: i really do not wish to hear how much some long gone loser trusts whatever long gone scammer.
mircea_popescu: present wot would benefit immensely from some dead hand cleanning as it is.
mircea_popescu: things change,you know. mayhap people you used to trust are nopw scammers
mircea_popescu: because why not ?
mircea_popescu: but for as long as anyone gives a shit, they'll be there.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you will find the computerized means to ensure immutability.
mircea_popescu: yourself included.
mircea_popescu: anyone can archive them!
mircea_popescu: (this doesn't replace notarybot, for instance)
mircea_popescu: permanence is to be ensured by other means
mircea_popescu: chat is not an instrument to permanence. it's an instrument to chat.
mircea_popescu: an' shall remember you.
mircea_popescu: by the same mechanism anything of anyone's kept around in the world : your friends have copies.
mircea_popescu: anything ? they're signed by you. they're, until anyone hears better, your position.
mircea_popescu: this is just like it is now! everything!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyone who saw the old ones has a copy!
mircea_popescu: artifexd thgat it has no central servers, for one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they don't dood. how do they disappear ?
mircea_popescu: i still can't possibly see what flaw you perceive with the wot part of gossipd
mircea_popescu: what's adequate for moving currency is not adequate for moving words.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, relays are strength not weakness here.
mircea_popescu: i still dun see it.
mircea_popescu: some of your stuff will be out of date.
mircea_popescu: well, if you can only net once in 2 months you can only net once in 2 months.
mircea_popescu: will be honored once known. ignored meanwhiule.
mircea_popescu: for all you know it can even came in the shape of regular bitcoin txn.
mircea_popescu: for all you know some validly signed material from 2012 satoshi emerges tomorrow. tis what it is.
mircea_popescu: very theoretical possibility, as "the last words" are hard to fake online.
mircea_popescu: it's as good as current thing, except better cuz signed.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as my old wot is still signed with my old key, and you have a copy
mircea_popescu: you'd have to ask an elder or two anyway.
mircea_popescu: how do you know it's not been diddled ?
mircea_popescu: i do not see it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, but you can sign it with yours, if you wish. which correctly reflects the situation. "here are the words of great X i attest to"
mircea_popescu: uhhh... nobody.
mircea_popescu: if i die tomorrow who will maintain my wot ?
mircea_popescu: which ius no different from the current situation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you still have an old list.
mircea_popescu: lol. the actual ship mircea is an old barque. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_(ship)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, disgorge on handshake but yea
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the evolution of this dev session clearly proves the superiority of chat over say bbs, of which forums and trilema comments are implementations.
mircea_popescu: this is ideal.
mircea_popescu: for all practical purposes i am his 3rd split personality, a figment of his rich imagination.
mircea_popescu: however, if you only know asciilifeform and he;'s relying my chat,
mircea_popescu: without a requirement to sign.
mircea_popescu: and if i am in your list and you in mine the same is preserved by gossipd.
mircea_popescu: artifexd so if it is.
mircea_popescu: the only entity served by this nonsense is nsa. users don't actually exist, outside of what the parties you trust say.
mircea_popescu: moreover, i wish to take this opportunity and link the important point of the "unsheathe your sword". inasmuch as people proceed on the "user objectively exists" and then try to "create anonimity" the unavoidable result is "anonimity is hard lolz".
mircea_popescu: this "objective existence of user" is a trap in our task here. it doesn' tserve, it hinders.
mircea_popescu: in the sense your friend sayus he does.
mircea_popescu: artifexd you have a clue : either your friend, or someone who only exists
mircea_popescu: i can use it later.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, imagine a "No" string signed. what now ?
mircea_popescu: than sign a contract there.
mircea_popescu: well, i don't. i more often have sex with someone in the bus
mircea_popescu: do you ordinarily sign contracts with people you chat with in the bus ?
mircea_popescu: because it's chat.
mircea_popescu: good idea that bb.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: in fact, for all you know A sends whole different novels to B and C.
mircea_popescu: nothing.
mircea_popescu: don't trust people you don't trust and so you won't have to answer unpleasant questions from people whose trust you value.
mircea_popescu: his job to police his lists.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: hm ?
mircea_popescu: no, it's not an oversight.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#966081 also. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's no signing in there, is there ?
mircea_popescu: which part.
mircea_popescu: each server compiles wot list for use of its user from helos received
mircea_popescu: each server maintains his wot ratings, and theyt are sent out as part of hello procedure
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: how so ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, but not the same thing.
mircea_popescu: since by very definition gestapo can't trust A B C
mircea_popescu: jurov ^
mircea_popescu: perfect deniability, much better than forward secrecy
mircea_popescu: anyway, THAT is why not signed messages.
mircea_popescu: aham
mircea_popescu: depends, from an hour up
mircea_popescu: lettuce continue this convo while asciilifeform feels all left out :D
mircea_popescu: answer't.
mircea_popescu: it... didn't eat your comment lol
mircea_popescu: a there it is.
mircea_popescu: is this some routing mishmashing or something ?