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mircea_popescu: "this is what i heard"
mircea_popescu: it is merely passing them along.
mircea_popescu: it is not signing them, no.
mircea_popescu: left*
mircea_popescu: you know my key, you directly verify my client is signing correctly, what is keft ?
mircea_popescu: so then what is the dilemma ?
mircea_popescu: at issue is your proposal to make this a reality for people you don't know.
mircea_popescu: obviously, if we're connected, you know my key.
mircea_popescu: so how is this germane ?
mircea_popescu: what remains is... you are concerned.
mircea_popescu: i do not care what "buts" and "ifs" you add.
mircea_popescu: well since you're concerned with what he might say or believe, it seems he does.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because whythe fuck do you care what some people you doin't know say on any topic ?
mircea_popescu: to the tune of monty pytrhon's every sperm is sacred. no, they do not.
mircea_popescu: fundamentally your argument reduces to a deep seated "all peoples matter"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is neither here nor there.
mircea_popescu: quite exceptional walk through the very points involved.
mircea_popescu: a screening of "a man for all seasons" is in order here.
mircea_popescu: not even then.
mircea_popescu: it is folly to even consider this point. focus on what is within your control.
mircea_popescu: what the clueless "believe" can not ever be your concern.
mircea_popescu: i dun see any sort of dilemma.
mircea_popescu: do tell.
mircea_popescu: (more generally, of the state)
mircea_popescu: rather than some conveniently diddled , horrible implementation designed for the needs of the nsa
mircea_popescu: this specifically aims for reconstructing sane chat, online.
mircea_popescu: i don't see much has improved since the recording machine era. do you ?
mircea_popescu: fact is, they only do if you wish to implement them. i do not.
mircea_popescu: no. making it not exist.
mircea_popescu: not to the detriment o the participants, in any case.
mircea_popescu: none of their fuckinbg business. if they weren't invited to participate they can not RELY on the discussion.
mircea_popescu: artifexd i do. it's the equivalent of making a weirdo reality where anyone who eavesdrops also has a recording device.
mircea_popescu: it is not an advantage.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a problem
mircea_popescu: because we don't work for the group here. we work for the individual.
mircea_popescu: not their option. yours.
mircea_popescu: before that , they are ephemereal.
mircea_popescu: the moment you add them to your list, they have continuity.
mircea_popescu: artifexd it is not up to them. it is up to you.
mircea_popescu: which is to say no obligatory mechanism exists.
mircea_popescu: THEY have no power,
mircea_popescu: by whatever mechanism anyone chooses to use.
mircea_popescu: the existence of unknowns should be entirely at the mercy of the knowns. no exceptions and no way out.
mircea_popescu: artifexd that is weight.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not naturally.
mircea_popescu: and when you say no what do you mean no.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: anmd there's plenty more, but srsly... how much is needed.
mircea_popescu: this harms because : it gives unknowns a weight they should not have ; it removes the incentive for users to police at their local level ; it allows third parties to construct undeniable chatlogs that they had no business in. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: what you propose : 1. friend to friend and unknown to unknown relations are the same thing.
mircea_popescu: currently : 1. friend to friend relations are entirely cryptographically secured. 2. unknown-to-unknown relations are not secured, and must proceed through a friend of either party to even happen.
mircea_popescu: ok, let me try and make the whole story.
mircea_popescu: excactly like that.
mircea_popescu: as in, why add clunk that actually harms and hinders, except to perpetuate what we generally agree is a harmful meme.
mircea_popescu: it's odd because to me it seems exactly opposite.
mircea_popescu: but you disagree with the implementation of ewxactly this ?
mircea_popescu: blacklisting doesn't work, and whitelisting should be done locally, and responsibly.
mircea_popescu: same thing.
mircea_popescu: anyone can police the 200 people he himself knows.
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? nobody can police a list of 2bn ip addresses.
mircea_popescu: they still need a friend to let them in.
mircea_popescu: but it's EXACTLY what it is!
mircea_popescu: imo, quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: so it is.
mircea_popescu: literally, all it takes is a one line edit.
mircea_popescu: i dun see how any of these are serious avenues to attack gossipd.
mircea_popescu: was thinking more like xmj and his ilk.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't mind seeing either of those.
mircea_popescu: now, why shouldn't this be the situation to everyone ?
mircea_popescu: as far as i recall, for as far as my own chatlog is concerned, it took them exactly an hour longer than it took me to decide it's enough.
mircea_popescu: who, specifically ?
mircea_popescu: in practice derps never manage this, if we're to go by history, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: ok...
mircea_popescu: 2 derps, 3 days.
mircea_popescu: ok, i frown at your friend, he demures, i delink him, you both are out.
mircea_popescu: now what ?
mircea_popescu: you made it 3 days.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then you piss me off, i frown at your friend, you're out.
mircea_popescu: artifexd i ended up referring to your project as that.
mircea_popescu: i meant, what do you do to gossipd obvbiously.
mircea_popescu: problem solved, september ended.
mircea_popescu: suppose you're an average derp. what do you do ?
mircea_popescu: it actually puts an end to it.
mircea_popescu: it's exactly that tho!
mircea_popescu: i just meant, generally. i dun care for what, trying to see how this works in practice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not because "preet can steal a key"
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, people who run torrents : how many connections is common ? 10 ? 20 ? 40 ? 80 ? 160 ?
mircea_popescu: doubt it tho, seeing how many they are and how ignominously they labour.
mircea_popescu: mebbe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actual pedo irl yes. among the online scum that makes up a good chunk of the "bitcoin community" on places like forums etc, common enough.
mircea_popescu: guy had a scamrecord a mile long, and always dumb shit like https://bitcointa.lk/threads/devianttwo-scammer.122455/
mircea_popescu: seems to me on the contrary, it's just "random redneck doing various shit online like scams and pedophilia got nicked"
mircea_popescu: aite.
mircea_popescu: woudn't surprise me if legit pedo.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, he was kinda dumb.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: lmao that sounded like a divisive question.
mircea_popescu: artifexd the roland freisler of our times, preet bharara. crown's prosecutor for southern ny / rico conspiracy lynchpin.
mircea_popescu: this is an illusion.
mircea_popescu: like in the case of rg ?