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blackwhite: ahh I see we got a ancapper in the house :)
ThickAsThieves: i never hired a college graduate
asciilifeform: incidentally, even a 100% proper science/maths/etc degree can be a liability, as you'll only be considered for the higher paygrades (naturally tighter musical chairs)
ThickAsThieves: they don't need a good reason in the losing party's estimation
Diablo-D3: its a fucking job at mcdonalds you fucks
Diablo-D3: "oh, we need a woman"
benkay: also a good reason.
Diablo-D3: "oh, we need a minority"
benkay: no, that's a good reason.
Diablo-D3: "oh, you have a degree, we dont want you"
asciilifeform: we have tighter 'caste stratification' here than in victorian england. an engineer, programmer, even lowly clerk, might live a whole life without speaking to these folks.
blackwhite: You won't find a listing for that because no one want to take it unless they are mexicans. It's more or less the same problem around the world
ThickAsThieves: asciilifeform, then you must have never been to a border state
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: because you'll never find a job listing for that.
Diablo-D3: they get to get out of that shithole homeland of theirs and get paid a shitload of money by their standards
Diablo-D3: they have a pretty sweet deal
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I consider it a problem. Americans are turned down for jobs because of companies acting illegally.
ThickAsThieves: <Diablo-D3> ThickAsThieves: plus we have the problem of companies illegally hiring mexicans that work at a fraction of minimum wage/// i dont consider this a problem
blackwhite: So I have a question for all you experts. Imagine a bitcoin like protocol that allow you to embed digital assets or watermark certain digital assets. You could in theory imagine everything from digital pokemon cards to creative commons licenses as unique "scarce" resources.
Diablo-D3: benkay: degrees are a downright scam for the industry Im in
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: plus we have the problem of companies illegally hiring mexicans that work at a fraction of minimum wage
Diablo-D3: protip: it doesnt, and you will not get a job because you went there
Diablo-D3: its just that americans have been brainwashed by the government to have a skewed view of what work is
ThickAsThieves: one she's wanted for a long time
ThickAsThieves: she just got a great job here
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: leo szilard supposedly said 'wisdom consist in getting on the train a day before everybody else.'
ThickAsThieves: feels much more like a promotion that will get me more spam for years to come
ThickAsThieves: but the whole thing feels like a scam itself
dub: just a supermarket and the biggest company in th eworld by a couple of metrics
KRS1: In case you need like...a hammer, new underwear and a lamp at 4AM.
KRS1: When you go to leave, the checkouts make a beeping sound. When multiplied by 20+ checkout lanes the sound is deafening. The people are low class and aren't afraid to show it.
asciilifeform: i went once, in >2 decades. it was a warehouse full of el-cheapo.
mircea_popescu: but it's basically just a supermarket neh ?
kakobrekla: good, cause for a second there i thought i was psychotic or something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform english is a slut like that.
joecool: asciilifeform: are you a contributor to buzzfeed?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite a few u.s. folks know 'the dirt' re: 'the boston tea party.' it isn't exactly a national secret.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they paid for a wsj piece to explain how bitcoin isn't as good as gold.
asciilifeform: tuurdemeester - is that something like a burgomeister, but...? ☟︎
ThickAsThieves: i guess there's a GS report on BTC?
asciilifeform: a bit of an oversimplification
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, for a good two decades that pillar held. technical excellence in directx + marketing excellence in ms hq ensured market domination for windows
mircea_popescu: well... directx was a pretty decent package.
mike_c: over a decade ago :)
mircea_popescu: mike_c nah, wasn't part of directx back in like... a decade ago at least
C01DA51CE: a porno
mircea_popescu: "DirectShow (sometimes abbreviated as DS or DShow), codename Quartz, is a multimedia framework and API produced by Microsoft for software developers to perform various operations with media files or streams. It is the replacement for Microsoft's earlier Video for Windows technology."
mircea_popescu: that's easy asciilifeform just use a mirror.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if a man can shoot himself in the back of the head three times by mistake, then why not this.
ThickAsThieves: i find it hard to believe that a JPG exploit can exist by mistake...
mircea_popescu: a la baez and whatnot.
ThickAsThieves: looks a bit like an exmale
mircea_popescu: remember, this is bitcoin. the powers that are can tear the powers that wannabe a new one quite easily
asciilifeform: these folks are still puzzling over the question of how to fill a brick of btc with tungsten.
ThickAsThieves: "With millenniums of history behind it as a hedge against debasement, the key to gold’s success is the stability and predictability of its demand."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves starting to get a little pannicky, are they :D
ThickAsThieves: the wsj link inexplicably has a pic of dorian
asciilifeform: ' If a ledger-based technology is to succeed, the cyber-currency would very likely have to have some type of fixed exchange rate in order to overcome this obstacle.' << wtf ?
ozbot: Bitcoin Isn’t a Currency, Can’t Replace Gold: Goldman Sachs - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/12/bitcoin-isnt-a-currency-cant-replace-gold-goldman-sachs/
asciilifeform: 'As Mr Mullick demonstrated how to tie a "good noose" around a neck for the cameras, half a dozen children around Bengal imitated his moves and accidentally strangled friends and relatives.' << lol
KRS1: It seems there's a whole subculture of queer K9's.. http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003456755/35567200_rainbow_condom_dog20gay_xlarge.jpeg
ozbot: Can a dog be gay, lesbian or bisexual? New test says yes - Chicago animal welfare | Examiner.com
KRS1: http://www.examiner.com/article/can-a-dog-be-gay-lesbian-or-bisexual-new-test-says-yes
benkay: "gay" is a human thing, KRS1.
KRS1: who knew there were gay dogs..i kind of wondered since I once saw a boy dog trying to hump another boy dog.
artifexd: Also, for the record, I think that increasing the block size right now is a dumb idea, not necessary and counter-productive to the desired result.
artifexd: I have a prior engagement that I have to attend to. I will think on this.
mircea_popescu: (and for the record, i'm not arguing that this would be a particular venue of attack, i am merely showing how my thread length/surface metaphore is much better than your lock/lockbox metaphor)
artifexd: Because you still have to find the birthday collision. Why would an attacker try to create a block 1 gigabyte long (which still has to be valid) in order to clash with a block 1 megabyte long?
artifexd: However, your point that limiting the maximum length in order to limit the possible collisions is irrelevant as well because there is already a specific place for you to twiddle that will have the exact result you would want. The nonce/timestamp.
artifexd: If the hash was one letter, sure. 256 bits? "A lot" is being conservative.
mircea_popescu: but an attacker with a lot of hash power could create two such blocks and then swap them in and out to create dead txn
artifexd: Because when the hash of a block is "discovered" the contents of that block are spread around the world. An attacker would have to not only find a collection of valid transactions and a sundry other pieces of data that collide with the exact same hash but also convince someone else that the replacement was the actual block.
mircea_popescu: in other words : the larger the block is, the easier for a collision to be found
artifexd: If we assume that md5 is a "good" hash function, then how much data you put into it doesn't have any bearing on what you get out of it. Thus the first character remains, essentially, random regardless of whether the input is 200 bytes or 200 megabytes.
artifexd: Solidifying a group of tx into a block doesn't provide security in the same sense that 100 twigs in a bundle are stronger than 100 twigs seperately. It provide security in providing a stable time reference for when tx happened. Completely different domains.
artifexd: This will take a bit to type. Patience.
artifexd: I'm fairly well versed in block/transaction/hash/etc mechanics and I am trying to wrap your metaphore around that structure. It doesn't make sense. I normally have a high amount of respect for what you say. In this case though, I think you're wrong. Or, I don't understand the variety and thus need more lurking.
mircea_popescu: artifexd your lock metaphore is broken. the block size is the length of a square strip of material
artifexd: mircea_popescu how does doubling the block size quadruple the work needed to get equal security? If a certain lock on a certain box provides XX amount of security, how does increasing the size of the box make the lock worth less?
mircea_popescu: i don't see a problem.
mircea_popescu: the idea is for this system to be self sufficient, and in this sense there must always be a rarity of txn slots in blocks with regard to txns
mircea_popescu: if there are 10k slots made just as soon as there's 10k txns looking for a slot, you'll not see any fees.
mircea_popescu: if there are 1k slots and 10k txns vieing for a slot, you may see high fees
Neil: These things should be chosen by the market, just like fees. I doubt we'll get blocks much bigger than 1MB for a long time to come, even if there weren't a limit now.
mircea_popescu: a doubling of the block size roughly quadruples the hash needed for equal security.
mircea_popescu: currently blocks are secured through the process of mining. the hash count per block is a rough proxy for its cryptographical security.
gribble: Error: "reward" is not a valid command.
Neil: When do you think we'll have a full difficulty period where sum(fees)>sum(new coins)? 6.25 BTC or 3.125 BTC or later?
Neil: mircea_popescu: More than I thought... I keep a record of it all
ThickAsThieves: "An implant plug-in named CAPTIVATEDAUDIENCE, for example, is used to take over a targeted computer’s microphone and record conversations taking place near the device. Another, GUMFISH, can covertly take over a computer’s webcam and snap photographs. FOGGYBOTTOM records logs of Internet browsing histories and collects login details and passwords used to access websites and email
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Chris_Sabian i wouldn't be too worried about it. 2013 made bitcoin, it's a cut deal.
mircea_popescu: the20year you can end up with a tv show on top of everything, maybe put a little effort into it, curate a youtube channel, do some blogwork/outreach
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c he has good points on the topic. then people wonder why he wasn't ever a topic of study by acaemia. which academia, the one that subsits on ex hedge fund manager alumni bequests ?
C01DA51CE: what a bunch of whores these girls are now
KRS1: a friend of mine is selling 2 x BFL 60 ghash miners and 2 jalapenos if anyone is interested
C01DA51CE: a harry beavy
KRS1: ill have to remember that..but they also have hair on them as if the hairs are whiskers from a 3 day shaven sailor.