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mircea_popescu: what, there's a rule pigs don't bleed ?
asciilifeform: ideally ( and this was in the gps jammer thread ) your transmitter won't be a point source, either -- but a chorus of ~synchronized~ transmitters far apart, in polygonal pattern
phf: well, they didn't print this simple fact in "young electronic" so i wouldn't know, i like the idea of msec bursts though
asciilifeform: (gru knew this simple fact in 1950s. don't morse by hand, morse with paper tape rolled by clockwork, over in 1s or so. apparatus fit in suitcase.)
mircea_popescu: if it "obeys the law" i pointedly don't want it, and FOR THAT REASON.
phf: it's hard to push anything interesting over shortwave though, unless you're prepared to do pirate broadcasting, because of crypto. can't broadcast encrypted stuff
Framedragger: i wonder how you'd categorise the 'affect heuristic' as kahneman et al. call it.; i.e., when you make decision with at least partial influence of current emotion. it's very *fast* (thereby falls under kahneman's type 1). ridiculous scenario where it's useful: i'm chased by tiger, see two paths in woods, one has sign 'DANGER' in red, i don't have time to even parse word without making decision,
trinque: comes from the spine doesn't it, or even more locally
Framedragger: kk. yeah i won't argue further without doing some decent mp1 thought here :)
Framedragger: but you don't see merits of heuristics and biases in humans?
mircea_popescu: "you couldn't have meant that because if you did mean it you'd have lead with it."
mircea_popescu: if you're wondering, mp doesn't use the reference because the introduction de novo is a paragraph, the discussion of differentiation is a book.
mircea_popescu: to go back to the machine model : until you're running symbolix, don't pretend like you're computing.
mircea_popescu: as a general rule, people who can't produce genus/difference definitions for all the symbols in their own output are better off not thinking yet, as what they think thinking is isn't. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: nate the latter ; under the (broadly correct) assumption that a quiet head works and a loud one doesn't. this isn't so different from, eg, buddhism.
asciilifeform: and yes i'm familiar with 'prussian' model of command, where 'a good soldier follows directions, doesn't sit and think' etc.
asciilifeform: ( could be impractical -- we all die before answer is emitted -- but that ain't 'dumb' )
mircea_popescu: it's important to de-equivocate dumb ; there's two kinds of machine that may be casually referred to as dumb : one that is very slow (eg, z80) / one that is very demanding on the programmer (eg, windows). good programmer wouldn't really call z80 dumb, bad programmer wouldn't really call windows dumb. this directly translates to humans, there's a kind of dumb the incompetent identify mostly disjunct from the kind of dumb the c
asciilifeform: ( wouldn't be the first time )
danielpbarron: on a related note, which openbsd cds are specifically wanted? i did 5.5 cd1 because i have that pack opened already, and because the more useful cd2 (containing amd64) got damaged when i tried to remove it from one of my iMac G3s that wouldn't spit it back out (it also has ppc -- probably the arch of interest)
danielpbarron: i was voiced obviously, but maybe deedbot had reconnected since then, and didn't see me as authed anymore?
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639551 << why didn't this work? ☝︎
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it means that the user doesn't immediately learn the 'do we know this key?' answer.
Framedragger: last note before i fuck off: the "user submits key; gets permalink (immediately); meanwhile key gets sent to master (immediately), and master puts it into "to be inserted" queue" + "all inserted + updated rows get sent back to slave via streaming replication and pg trigger" doesn't look like petrocheese to me. is all.
asciilifeform: and a ~very~ serious, imho, surrender. 'oh, this thing that you could do whenever you wanted in 2013? can't do it no moar.'
asciilifeform: but that ain't a solution imho.
asciilifeform: 'oh you don't need immediate links!'
asciilifeform: i don't presently see them as cleanly cuttable apart
Framedragger: (just so i don't feel like just throwing random verbiage at you, what i mean is something like `CREATE TRIGGER setup_send_update AFTER INSERT OR UPDATE ON phuctor FOR EACH ROW EXECUTE PROCEDURE send_update);` - it wouldn't be hard to try.)
asciilifeform: and isn't slow as molasses.
asciilifeform: because the CORRECT answer is a sane db that isn't written by motherfucking wreckers
Framedragger: (again, i did realise that the "oh very simple" angle isn't strong here)
Framedragger: can you not picture this setup with a read-only slave, with a *separate* "give new key to master" interface (separate so that the replication doesn't become write-write but stays write-read)
Framedragger: alright. i will grant you that the end system wouldn't be "oh so elegantly simple", because you would have to have a submission queue (maybe something that trinque had in mind). user submits key; gets permalink (immediately); meanwhile key gets sent to master (immediately), and master puts it into "to be inserted" queue. under normal loads, the insertion happens ~immediately, ☟︎
asciilifeform: but this won't be happening today.
Framedragger: however, you won't agree to drop it, i take it.
asciilifeform: it isn't merely 'hash is computed', it shows if anyone else at any point in history ever had the mods.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it ain't about 'demoocracy', it is about actually doing the job
asciilifeform: 'but does it do the same job ?' 'ummmmm didn't think of it'
asciilifeform: if the 'www db' isn't writable
Framedragger: now, complexity management-wise.. maybe; having same person manage both boxes may not be best idea (and the alternative has its own advantages). but the current "phuctor is down, i don't know why, it's a black box" isn't the greatest example of current setup, either. (this may be a red herring, i'm not sure)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: you're talking about replication. replication, generally speaking, doesn't work. certainly not on posgres or any other free db, and certainly not without titanic sweat and inevitable increases in attack surface.
mircea_popescu: no i don't mean that. i just mean, yes in principl;e doing something with the plebs is not a bad idea ; but the exact what and wherefore coulo use more conteplation.
trinque: asciilifeform: if stuck on python, which I grant is practical, can't really refuse the customary sins to make it go
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: python certainly isn't
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: in materialized view, postgres can persist results of query in table-like form. so it *does* cache them; hence you can't say it's convenience only.
asciilifeform: and i certainly don't want html in my db wtf
asciilifeform: trinque: i don't like state
shinohai: lol Jason Dreyzehner "Head of Design" at buttpay followed me on twitter. Perhaps staring at T&A will be useful in making UI decisions.
Framedragger: obtw which postgres version on phuctor asciilifeform? those two features not available in old versions. i don't remember which ver is in debian stable
trinque: this is www born nonsense that communication may only run one way, client can't listen for changes
mircea_popescu: no, you don't take my meaning.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trilema doesn't potentially update 100 / day
trinque: yes, send me the bursts as they happen, don't render the RSS each time
mircea_popescu: pretty sure you weren't able to do it after i fucked it
mircea_popescu: these can take minutes, and the site isn't down during, at all.
trinque: the politics of asciilifeform doth seep into the use of thing he doesn't like
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oddly they didn't even shoot them down serbian style ?
asciilifeform wasn't there , did not see
BingoBoingo: ^ China can't win them all
mircea_popescu: know from backchannels and the fact that the govt isn't making a point "oh, they had bazooka"
doppler: I didn't even notice it was comic sans until I happened to browse on my windows box
mircea_popescu: the moral being that db engineers are made not born, and this is how. so unless you're willing to burn dbs, don't hire noobs to engineer your storage
Framedragger: i mean even if mircea_popescu aborted a db write, it shouldn't have forked into gigs of crap?..
CompanionCube doesn't think he phrased it correctly
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine anyone can actually intuit what i in fact did.
Framedragger: but actually, i haven't run mysqldump in forever and not 100% certain about docs, so i don't know
CompanionCube can't speak for mysql but knows that postgres dumps can be a mixture of text and binary data
Framedragger: i don't know what that is
Framedragger: (i don't know about that "db" file, tho, i mean, that one's binary)
mircea_popescu: normally it'd be all text, but because it got fucked it got filled with crap. which the dumper can't discern from legit stuff.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't aware .sql is supposed to be a text file.
Framedragger: i don't know how it would encode it, but in general, yes. more like, escape nonprintable chars with "\0" i guess
gabriel_laddel_p: having both text & the js/images/etc prevents lizardhitler from "unhappening" headlines, while ensuring that DOM dumping and other crazy nonsense doesn't have to be implemented.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: .sql is a set of statements which you can run on db to put it back into the state which produced the .sql in question, no? but, if there's mysql specific convention bullshit tho, i wouldn't know :/
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1639114 < I didn't realize that this "sharing" link would open in google drive. Here is a link to the same file that you can open in emacs, curl etc https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/master/slate-star-codex-no-wrap80.txt ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (i suspect /g doesn't work well with mb lines)
asciilifeform: ( it suggests that mircea_popescu's sql dump isn't 7bit clean )
mircea_popescu: you're new here aren't you.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-06 19:05 mircea_popescu: head doesn't work on a large file.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1639243 << this doesn't seem right. `tail` should work fine, too (it seeks to end of file and then rewinds, should be superfast on arbitrary sized files) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: head doesn't work on a large file. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it doesn't even have a concept of sane process interruption + resumption.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: trump :: 1. To have superior power over.2. To surpass or outdo.3. When a person says "trump," you are required to do whatever you just claimed you would do, no matter how exaggerated it was. If you don't do it, you get a [spartan kick] to the chest. [ex:] 1. Bob: The president's word trumps yours, Joe, you homeless piece of shit. When he says something it must be done.2. Joe: Man, I'll trump your ass (5 more messages)
jhvh1: asciilifeform: haskell :: 1 -- A general purpose, polymorphicly typed, lazy functional programming language largely based on lambda calculus. 2 -- A constant source of frustration for those who have been brainwashed by the OO paradigm. [ex:] You: How do I write a 'while' loop with Haskell?Me: You can't, freshman. [/ex] | A town in Northern New Jerse located between Ringwood and Pompton Lakes, smaller district of (5 more messages)
mircea_popescu: trinque i certainly don't see anything wrong with teaching the stupid how to be even stupider until the time they're actually ready to hands and knees.
ben_vulpes: "you know i really like this ubi idea; imagine the cambrian explosion of art and culture that would happen if people didn't have to work to eat, right? well imagine if *everything* were free, not just food internet and housing. it's not like we need tax receipts to pay for it, just increase the national debt a little! i doubt it would even come close to the cost of an f35 to make everything free."
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 21:56 asciilifeform: ( the other funny detail, it certainly ain't ~everyone~ who'd get payola. certainly not dirty kulaks. )
CompanionCube: I don't think that's the idea of UBI
ben_vulpes: "but then from a justice perspective it's just inherently gender inequitable, so i don't know! i just don't know."
ben_vulpes: "so i'm all for maternity and paternity leave, i have kids, it's just fantastic. and i've been thinking about other things that people should get state-sponsored leave for, and like aren't some women struck by totally debilitating menses? they should totally have time off for that."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: well hey the singer i went to see wasn't in stripper mode during the choral performance
trinque: in this thread we listen to how gabriel_laddel_p is very special, and you don't understand me mom
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hm.. okay. wonder why it failed. (i guess in the future consider LONGBLOB for this (and encode/decode as needed), but it wasn't..that large, even.. huh.)
asciilifeform: didn't somebody finally buy the gabriel_laddel_p box ..?
asciilifeform: idea is that schmuck won't notice when they fail
asciilifeform: ( once in a while some exceptionally poorly written spamatron shows up, which ~can't~ tell, on first try)
asciilifeform: i suppose they can tell that there isn't actually a wordpress installed.
asciilifeform: these don't spam, no. they just crawl.
mircea_popescu: in fairness it's entirely my fault, i got bored with sql import and interrupted it. didn't work so well seeing how it was a write op.