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asciilifeform: which is why for such a scheme to work, it would have to be agreed-upon in advance by the participants.
asciilifeform: but these are to be rejected by the verifier if the latter can locate an earlier Ksign(H(S)).
asciilifeform: if K is broken publicly, or privately by the enemy, any time ~after~ T, the breaker (or anyone who learns the privkey) can try to endeedbot his own Ksign(H(S)) for his own S
mircea_popescu: hang on a sec im writing up this horrid movie.
asciilifeform: note, J can even be another pgp/rsa key, if you are insuring against merely a 'key costs $100M and takes 5years to break' scenario, rather than catastrophic rsacalypse
asciilifeform: scheme relies strictly on the strength of H (and integrity of the blockchain...)
asciilifeform: at time T3, i reveal, and deedbot, S.
asciilifeform: at time T2, i deedbot J
asciilifeform: at time T1, when i wish to invoke the continuity, i :
asciilifeform: at time T, i deedbot Ksign(H(S)), where S is a lengthy random string.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> feel free to make'em dump key into phuctor << very cool
asciilifeform: but i mention lamport specifically because it does not rely on number-theoretical conjecture (on the other hand, hashing relies on ????????? for hardness...)
mircea_popescu: or c-s for that matter.
asciilifeform: (with which to sign a new conventional pubkey if such a thing were to come.)
asciilifeform: while we're on the subject, there may be merit in deedbotting a lamport-style one-shot public key for the event of an 'asteroid' (serious number-theoretic breakthrough, or the like)
asciilifeform: subjectivity is a bitch like that. e.g. to 5yo being 'grounded' for month is rather like the idea of year in jail for a 50yo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe. somehow subjectively this is never perceived the same way.
rAISellers: mircea_popescu I think so, did not sync yet or something like that...
asciilifeform: 14yo still has the nude classmates to take new photos of.
mircea_popescu: rAISellers but did you send it to the sks servers ?
mircea_popescu: depends. at 14 you prolly care about all the nude classmates you got there.
asciilifeform: 'better' in the sense that it is better to have one's hdd and backups burn down when you're 14 y.o. than when you're 60.
asciilifeform: keyholder has moar years of life left to invest in building up reputation of a replacement key ?
asciilifeform: (and all else equal, it is better for a key to 'die' earlier in life than later.)
asciilifeform: the focus oughta be on avoiding being in said position to begin with.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, pretend not to notice, see who tries to scam you ? eat their babies for desert ?
asciilifeform: what's to be done with'em ?
asciilifeform: well this is perhaps the wrong question.
trinque: background cron that flips a "sent_to_phuctor" bit
mircea_popescu: but yeah, mutual masturbation with phuctor not a bad idea, if it can be done somehow so it doesn't make the ensemble more friable.
trinque: the thing's going through a major cleaving process, nearly done
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah, I'll hammer that out momentarily
trinque: asciilifeform: actually I could fart them over to you as I receive.
asciilifeform: but at least then it'll be in 2 places, vs 1, and neither'll be sks.
asciilifeform: it isn't decentralized by any means, though, boring old medieval central box.
asciilifeform: feel free to make'em dump key into phuctor
mircea_popescu: trinque any hoap for wotpaste pubkey to deedbot directly ?
mircea_popescu: rAISellers did you send it to sks server ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole thing was centered around "third and above degree effects, such as the social behaviour of "war""
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's that work
PeterL: useful to know, I guess
mircea_popescu: PeterL word. you can also induce them through masturbation ; and the process can result in a slight increase in amniotic fluid.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-27 04:01 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone (of the married with children contingent) know what braxton hicks contractions are ?
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1548932 << braxton hicks are a pre-labor contractions that are painful and annoying to the woman, can start up to a couple months before actual labor, sort of an on-again, off-again random contraction at various intervals (contrast with actual contractions which come at a steady rate and build in intensity) ☝︎
asciilifeform: aha, and the places there the water was yellow from the U, were mined first, correct
mircea_popescu: so you'd have expected them to ; romania was an ally after all ; and they did hit the oilfields.
mircea_popescu: however - the easy access petroleum, as well as copper, iron etc was hit first.
asciilifeform: 'rich fields' only became interesting when the demand shot up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this theory is altogether dubious because one of the richest u fields in all of europe was in romania, cvasi-native u-in-quartz deposits. which went unbothered until the 50s, when the soviets dug them up.
asciilifeform: and that much of the squid ink we see on subj, then and now, is to obscure the how, who, and what.
asciilifeform: ftr, my own digs led me to the hypothesis that germany had, contrary to american official legend, a considerably cheaper method of refining U than the idiot calutron, as early as '43
mircea_popescu: wasn't obvious at all, i spent an hour this morning wading through pseudoscience swamp because of you!
asciilifeform: not an actual item i expect to find in mircea_popescu's closet if we go drinkin'
asciilifeform: since it was not obvious, i will point out, 'nazi bell' is a ~proverbial~ object, with some basis in factual history, sorta like the cross of jizzus etc.
mircea_popescu is fully satisfied with "precious metals" explanation re that, fwiw.
mircea_popescu: so it wouldn't stretch the bounds of the plausible if the nazis had an early, low efficiency, fusor-like thing ; which would have been no larger than a doberman ; and so isn't related to either some random polish dude's fantasies of "my village is special - look, that mountainside, is where thor sat down!" or whatever argentina landing bills.
asciilifeform: again we're touching the electric wire of the mormon cover.
mircea_popescu: how stupid are these nazis again ?
mircea_popescu: ugh. so 5 out of 7 people who made it accidentally looked down the barrel ?
asciilifeform: through the business end ?
mircea_popescu: through a meter thick shield ? how ?
mircea_popescu: i thought this thing killed people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform any idea why it would be that fucking big ? you don't really gain much by making the outer cage 3 meters wide.
asciilifeform: el dorados were moar fun when you could still hide'em in unpainted section of the map.
mircea_popescu: especially given that it REALLY helps the story, "oh, last summer i went to this secret palace where all the girls are 19 and spend the whole day nude. unfortunately they all died. curse of the nudist palace."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one dude who eats a beam can magnify, with passage of time and armchair, into 'many liquid corpses' etc.
mircea_popescu: im sure the journalist had a bunch of girlfriends "that died" back when he was 13.
asciilifeform: the reason i regard the matter of the bell interesting at all, is that the very same disinfo tactics are in use by modern usg.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't seem likely the device they might have built would have killed much of anyone ; moreover the story of "fatalties" is how pubescent males always tend to lend a shrowd of cool to their fantasious fabrications.
asciilifeform: plenty of junk gets made in qty==1 and forgotten. but if it's bulky and expensive, and, bonus, makes for picturesque workplace fatalities, it can take on a second life in crackpot archaeology.
mircea_popescu: well sure, but there's a difference between the Vs, which actually did land in london, and in abundance bordering on public nuisance
asciilifeform: it does not however follow that german physics was all vapourware. it was not - turned into the engineering works of the 50s.
asciilifeform: fwiw, armchair archaeology of german physics is complicated by the fact that in '45 everyone who was anyone in that wot was jumping out of his shirt to market himself to the americans with fanciful legend
mircea_popescu: now, if they managed to source a megawatt, which seems dubious, and if they managed to get the usual 10^5 power loss, which seems also dubious, even if we grant they had the concept 30 years early, then it follows that they might have made 100 watt worth of neutron source.
mircea_popescu: anyway. yes it wouldn't stretch the bounds of the plausible, seeing how eg tesla was dicking around with high electrostatic potentials for his principal entertainment.
mircea_popescu: well it'd help if you said that. ie, "a clumsy, bulky fusor" not "a clumsy, bulky neutron source"
asciilifeform: one is the accelerator
asciilifeform: in point of fact there are two (not counting the small kind you can make on your desk right now out of a smoke detector and beryllium sheet) in commercial use
mircea_popescu: look. what source of neutrons do you have in mind other than a linear accelerator ?
asciilifeform: if you have a directed one, you can turn that $B into $2B right now.
mircea_popescu: it's a tube dood not a fucking bell.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: are you familiar with real-life neutron tube ? didja think it is ~directed~ ?!
mircea_popescu: then tell the story.
asciilifeform: forget the pole !
mircea_popescu: also, the effects described aren't quite what neutron beams do.
mircea_popescu: so which part of the nonsense is part of your accepted reconstruction ? i don't imagine sponeaneous margerinization of plant matter for a 150 to 200 m radius makes it in?
asciilifeform: at any rate, it does not stretch the bounds of the plausible that germany had a clumsy, bulky neutron source.
asciilifeform: if he'd mentioned those, mircea_popescu would see it for the redmercury sprayjob it was.
mircea_popescu: literally, the angel moroni showed him some sikrit documents ?
mircea_popescu: well, the origin is a single report from a pole (ie, nato) who is a literal re-enaction of historical mormon guy.
asciilifeform: (granted we dun have the actual facts, beyond a landing manifest from buenos aires in '45 where germans unloaded ~something massive~ from a 6-engined monster junkers. but the 'red mercury', 'alien corpses', etc. are what the disinfo folk spray onto anything they dun want in the literature.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh you're looking at the nato snow job
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that glocke bs is something else. seriously, rando pole came up with some nutty shit in 2000 and the murican joseph smiths ran with it ?
phf: (it's possible the message is missing for other reasons though, that's on august 27th, i.e. the day when i left for burn and btcbase was being spammed to oblivion)
phf: btcbase actually parses ACTION messages and turns the record into message-self
phf: well, if Framedragger is still parsing the znc logs, then znc does it for you. it'll be <foo> blah, or * foo blah or somesuch
mircea_popescu: cuz generally you're supposed to replace ^A with eg *
phf: so there's at least two bugs happening here :) somehow it's missing from btcbase and Framedragger's znc (or is it the python bot) is leaking ACTION marks
phf: so that ^AACTION is actually how irc encodes /me's
mircea_popescu: http://www.submarinecablemap.com/#/submarine-cable/gemini-bermuda << this is pretty good.