asciilifeform: just had the thought, nobody else in this ch. likes languages ?

asciilifeform: lolz

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: where's the obama version.

asciilifeform: incidentally, this art form is curiously absent in the anglo world.

asciilifeform: aye, but anybody can do that.

asciilifeform: 'Полюбила я Хрущева, / Вышла замуж за него. / Оказалось, вместо хуя / Кукуруза у него.'

asciilifeform: let's try this one

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: to criticise is to volunteer.

asciilifeform: bah.

asciilifeform: you lot are free to volunteer better one.

asciilifeform: well sure, but i like rhyming transl.

asciilifeform: (translation mine)

asciilifeform: 'when it comes to milk, we're even with america, at last; as for meat, they're still the leader - our bull broke his cock, alas.' ☟︎

asciilifeform: (hruschev era. naturally)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Мы Америку догнали. По надоям молока, А по мясу мы отстали: Хуй сломался у быка.' ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: better than the other way around.

asciilifeform: 'gotta pay for... data center'

asciilifeform: occurred to me that you can usually tell at a glance which people experience a twinge of physical pain when spending someone else's money, and which ones don't.

asciilifeform: nextime: thx

asciilifeform: nextime: please use pgp (my wot key)

asciilifeform: nextime: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ea.png

asciilifeform: nextime: what do you require for a kitted build (e.g. minimal tape lengths for smt parts, what format for the pick'n'placer)

asciilifeform: ok

asciilifeform: unit has through-hole parts. how are these handled?

asciilifeform: ok now we're cooking.

asciilifeform: nextime: i'd really appreciate a ballpark estimate.

asciilifeform: nextime: if we will have a continued relationship << this can't really be promised until the fee is paid and results delivered, can it.

asciilifeform: and what would be the turnaround time?

asciilifeform: no tooling fee?

asciilifeform: nextime: ~40.

asciilifeform: i'd like a ballpark figure, incl. NRE.

asciilifeform: nextime: kitted (we mail in parts and pcb)

asciilifeform: nextime: 50 units.

asciilifeform: nextime: let's try this. approx. quote for ~200 smt part count, smallest = 0805, one side.

asciilifeform: nextime: i should probably specify that pcb is to be sent in (we already have a good working relationship with a pcb maker)

asciilifeform: nextime: kitted or turnkey build, either, works

asciilifeform: nextime: there is already a source for the pcb per se; but i'm shopping around for assemblers.

asciilifeform: fluffypony, nextime - ok

asciilifeform: nextime: do take the trouble to read the published material first.

asciilifeform: nextime: what would you like to know?

asciilifeform: nextime: only here.

asciilifeform: !up nextime

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: over here, this traditional reply usually comes with a five, six (usd) figure quote for running the fiber. (add insult to injury)

asciilifeform: ('paste' is a substance with roughly the appearance and consistency of toothpaste, with small solder globules suspended.)

asciilifeform: this isn't how it's normally done, though, one applies paste and reflows.

asciilifeform: mike_c: hand. messy. but worked

asciilifeform: mike_c: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/laser/new.png

asciilifeform: fluffypony: sure, let's, i appreciate the effort

asciilifeform: it's simply that it's a bitch

asciilifeform: once again, virtually anything can be done under a good microscope, with steady hands

asciilifeform: sure.

asciilifeform: (not that it can't be done, but nobody on the planet will do it for $20.)

asciilifeform: nobody's manually soldering a tqfp-64.

asciilifeform: fluffypony: care to say approximate cost of the prototype run?

asciilifeform: fluffypony: if it's no secret, what did you do with them?

asciilifeform: my main purpose in asking here is to sound out the possibility that someone knows such an operator in person, and can vouch for him.

asciilifeform: just keeping options open

asciilifeform: no pinch

asciilifeform: but i could be convinced otherwise, given new data

asciilifeform: given what i know about the miner builders, i'm not certain i'd want to purchase so much as shoelaces from anyone associated

asciilifeform: when a fellow isn't reliable, hard to be sure how much because of his own head and how much because he relies on muppets.

asciilifeform: ;;gettrust Friedcat

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you know the owner personally?

asciilifeform: ok that sounds promising

asciilifeform: for pcb, my current supplier gives me, believe or not, 3 day turnaround, incl. airplane from cn to us

asciilifeform: doubt that anyone can beat the chinese slavefarms for pcb

asciilifeform: i'm pretty happy with my current supplier for those

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for pcb fab only (where such is typical) or smt placement?

asciilifeform: in that industry, 'small' typically means less than 10,000

asciilifeform: this may or may not exist.

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: atm i'm looking for folks with reasonably cheap pcb stuffing for obscenely small quantities (<50)

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no pricing info on site, unfortunately

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: got it

asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: surprised that you haven't taken the offer yet - it sounds like fun.

asciilifeform: unfortunately, 'designed accordingly' consists, imho, entirely of the weirdo heresy that only i seem to believe in.

asciilifeform: and ought to be designed accordingly

asciilifeform: re: darkmarket: anything vaguely approaching this is (at least by thinking people) regarded as 'guilty until proven innocent' of honeypot

asciilifeform: or at least have a share in one

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we get someone trustworthy doing mining at some point << the way i understand it, mining is -EV unless you own a semiconductor plant.

asciilifeform: just what doctor ordered.

asciilifeform: adding booze to diceatrons - this'd be like lithium deuteride booster for nuke.

asciilifeform: this is good point, dice gizmos ought to be physically present, blinkenlighs, bells, in boozing houses.

asciilifeform: you can use 'vi' instead of 'emacs' if you were to buy a parenthesis-counting slavegurl ?

asciilifeform: even pig shit can be sold

asciilifeform: gotta be

asciilifeform: not exactly 'FDA Grade A'

asciilifeform: considering what they'd be worth on international market

asciilifeform: even selling the female lusers, that'd be a serious haircut

asciilifeform: the mega-lol being, that these folks would literally rather steal anything else

asciilifeform: (literally...)

asciilifeform: niche product.

asciilifeform: butugychag?

asciilifeform: what does fuckland do with the male idiots?

asciilifeform: imagine if, rather than this, student loan were secured by... disassembly for organs

asciilifeform: benkay: no prizes for guessing what mega-subsidy like this does to the price.

asciilifeform: could run on kerosene! neat

asciilifeform: lol