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mircea_popescu: how about such groups don'
t go where you go, instrad. fucking sheep already. "guides" pshew.
diana_coman: and I don'
t claim competence in mountaineering or whatevers
mircea_popescu: you ever seen a group that large who wasn'
t 105% douchebag by mass ?
Framedragger: ah, kk. i didn'
t spot the phuctor downloader back then
mircea_popescu: and if society in general doesn'
t understand this either, in short order you'll find yourself wondering where the dodo bird went.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, and this is exactly my greater point here : competent people don'
t understand how to defend themselves from the tedx crowd, and don'
t. they're, basically speaking, dodo birds.
☟︎ diana_coman: eh, sure; they didn'
t tell them that, nor did they take into account the reality basically
mircea_popescu: diana_coman let's consider this : late april, you can go lower or higher. if you're competent you take your pick, if you are not competent and so can'
t follow the competent YOU DO NOT GO. you don'
t fucking go anyway, relying on your group numbers, and then of fucking course if you bigfoot about HIGHER than the other guys end up... causing an avalanche.
diana_coman: then that's what I read there too that they were accused of that, yes; I don'
t know about the accusation as such though
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly clear : the ONLY use of a successful attack on a cryptosystem is to attack real world deployments. publishing is particularly a worthless (and stupid) endeavour, because it gives a lazy and entitled "public" something for free that it shouldn'
t have even for pay.
mircea_popescu: you'd expect respectable people involved in something either publish post mortem or aren'
t very respectable going forward.
mircea_popescu: "look, i can afford fire, pretty young thing! dare be naked, you won'
t freeze here!"
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 00:03 phf: vaguely related, all these papers that cite subj. i'm sure all these people have a copy in their private collection (the one they referenced when writing!!1), that they don'
t share out of copyright considerations and the respect for great scientist
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:50 phf: in related lulz Karatsuba and Ofman's "Multiplication of Many-Digital Numbers by Automatic Computers" doesn'
t seem to be available anywhere online, but "everyone" seems to know it somehow
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649667 << bwahaha. apparently it occurs to no-one that by the time merit washing requires them "seasoned cryptographers" and "security researchers" BY THE ROOMFULL, and anonymously, the actual value of either symbol isn'
t very much anymore nor can be.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:21 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this was the hope, when usg tried to package lsd as an artillery payload. 'ego dissolution'. didn'
t pan out.
mircea_popescu: the saving grace is that they ~very much do not want to~ be bad. machines don'
t care.
mircea_popescu: the whole "don'
t fuck up or i'll beat you" mechanism exists ~specifically because~ the whole array doesn;
t fit in my (or anyone's) head.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 21:28 Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649507 << at the risk of committing a slippery slope / false equivocation / something, orly? is this not unavoidable sometimes. i do realise "b-b-
t muh kernel! is not a good answer
mats: hpa, paul allen, too. my impression is he didn'
t really do anything besides lend his minor celebrity to the org
mats: the provided answer was - first test for Intel CPU with CPUID (so you don'
t trigger f00f) and then for anything GenuineIntel, run it and check for undefined opcode exception
mats: allegedly some non-intel CPUs lied in CPUID, and some had MSRs to address but others didn'
t - some bios would set the MSR bit, and others wouldn'
t even when it was available
mats: relatedly - a trivia q i didn'
t know the answer to, until it was shared - what is the proper way to test for support for the cmpxchg8b instruction?
phf: vaguely related, all these papers that cite subj. i'm sure all these people have a copy in their private collection (the one they referenced when writing!!1), that they don'
t share out of copyright considerations and the respect for great scientist
☟︎ phf: in related lulz Karatsuba and Ofman's "Multiplication of Many-Digital Numbers by Automatic Computers" doesn'
t seem to be available anywhere online, but "everyone" seems to know it somehow
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> or maybe it doesn'
t depend on the co.. if 'hired' then not founder, so... << Fortune 500 usually rides on inertia rather than continued interest of founder in concern
pete_dushenski: or maybe it doesn'
t depend on the co.. if 'hired' then not founder, so...
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: this distinction hasn'
t been noted within individuals so much as between them. same as per this study afaict.
trinque: danielpbarron: looks like that one can'
t make it through with the current code.
pete_dushenski: these are the people who 'should be more sane' but... aren'
t. quite clearly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a funnysituation this, miners just can'
t stick to mining. gotta gravitate towards the flame. so what if ~only thing flame does is burn butterflies.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: they were already using a scheme which was supposed to protect it, but broke the spec, and implemented poorly. i don'
t remember but it's probably fixable without migrating to snakeoil or whatever framework
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i don'
t think the discussion about say gossipd station keys vs 'main key' was necessarily finished? i realise that it ain'
t pretty
Framedragger: i don'
t have a super-plausible scenario. i'm saying such scenario is possible; scheme used by tox can 'minimise damage' (i realise that it's a funny word when describing 'key stolen'); it doesn'
t, hence that complaint on shithub.
Framedragger: i do not believe in "single key" thing. there is main-key. but you can have station keys. which can'
t format hdd. that's slippery slope
Framedragger: so if you have your friend bob's key and bob writes you "dude key stolen wtf", you know that shit went down. but now, attacker can be 100 bobs, with 'signed messages' or whatever, telling you "no don'
t listen to this impersonator not-bob, you're fine"
Framedragger: (re. else, later, moving self. but just a quick note re turing complete, well yes a bignumtron should not in itself be turing complete, but i wasn'
t sure how much additional stuff was planned on top)
mircea_popescu: but to return upstack : if i can'
t enumerate the states of my machine, i will thus therefore worry about it ending up in a state i can'
t predict, understand or recover. this is rational.
mircea_popescu: even more directly : every kid who ever tried maintaining a machine, be it linux, bsd, anything, knows very directly the problem with this framework thing. apt-get is guess what ? a package framework. what's its principal function on anyone's machine ? that it imports packages you a) didn'
t want or need and b) turned out vulnerable.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no disagreement. i honestly don'
t know re framework, i do think they just abused a term (which isn'
t a great signal)
mircea_popescu: even if we don'
t consider practical experience (hey, automake tried to be a makefile framework yes ?) and only focus on the theoretical aspect
Framedragger: here i have a problem because i don'
t think noise is necessarily bad; or that e.g. signal protocol is necessarily bad (yes names are barf'y)
trinque: I can help ya make it eat more large objects (don'
t mind the archivng) but eventually it's going to need to either deplete the deed author's wallet account for $amountOfBitsServed, or something along those lines
danielpbarron: most noobs do the windows thing and don'
t need the linux drivers
danielpbarron: unrelatedly, trinque why can'
t i deed stuff? i tried again with a smaller thing and i got the same result. bot says "deeds online" much later but my entry isn'
t on the website
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but this in re BingoBoingo's 'just don'
t style' << <pre> isn'
t style, it's semantic
mircea_popescu: electricity is not actually serving you, much like the idea of "stand on tiptoes to see better at ball game" doesn'
t actually serve you.
mircea_popescu: truth be told you don'
t actually need, or for that matter want, electricity to juju worship. be a lot happier with a coupla tubers rather than all this unmanageable complexity
shinohai: I'm dying of a snakebite, but won'
t take any anti-venom called fucksnakes
shinohai: I'm still incredulous that one guy is so hoity-toity he won'
t say FUCKGOATS
BingoBoingo: slugs and snails usually don'
t really care much for freshness
phf: asciilifeform: if i have procedure foo(x in; y out), and i'm calling it with foo(a, a); is it up to procedure to ensure that y is not clobbered before x is used, or is it more that you don'
t call with a same variable in in and out?
phf: asciilifeform: browser doesn'
t render repeat whitespace, unless you do <pre> but then, i believe, it doesn'
t automatically wrap lines
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 22:39 asciilifeform: this is trickier than it appears, because you can'
t ever have a branch condition itself on a secret bit.
mircea_popescu: besides, one doesn'
t regard 64 bits currently as a byte
Framedragger: asciilifeform: did, with and without numlock. and the thing you're trying to catch in code (e.keyCode) is 0 in both cases. however, e.which is correct (and is more 'canonical' here anyway). but i'm on laptop currently; but that shouldn'
t make a difference
mircea_popescu: apparently the whole academic thing isn'
t very high with the contemporaneous crop.
phf: Framedragger: we're trying to say the same thing, but i don'
t think it's quite there yet
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 21:22 Framedragger: isn'
t it a kind of probability of possible messages / possible states, given a message / given some system. can you really infer anything about "how it came about" (infer *any* info, in terms of probability or w/e)?
Framedragger: isn'
t it a kind of probability of possible messages / possible states, given a message / given some system. can you really infer anything about "how it came about" (infer *any* info, in terms of probability or w/e)?
☟︎ phf: afaiu shannon's entropy being a probability is descriptive, rather than prescriptive. so it can categorize a sequence of events, but it can'
t really say anything about how those sequence of events come about. so i'm not entirely sure how it even applies to engineering problem of event generation..
mircea_popescu: <eightyeight> he clearly doesn'
t understand the differences between shannon entropy and entropy as defined by the 2nd law of thermodynamics
mircea_popescu: it wasn'
t much foir the first coupla though. as these things usually go.
phf: i don'
t know anything about his netbsd work. i know him exclusively via scheme/lisp world
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i'll take your word for it. if i DIDN'
T though, what steps could you take to enact this truth ?
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, the website doesn'
t load, not for me not for archive.is
Framedragger: wasn'
t factorable.net 2012? or was phuctor around in 2012
mircea_popescu: (for they following at home : factorable.net, an item existing entirely to try and pretend like phuctor didn'
t happen -- no longer exists on the web.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one can'
t well shake the suspicion the reason intel isn'
t keen to share raw stream is the fear that you'd poke it at the wrong time.
Framedragger: that is depressingly sad isn'
t it. fair enough, good to know...