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trinque: if
there's no video card, I assume
there is just an area of ram currently being used as such
trinque wants
to understand why asciilifeform balked when I said draw-circle goes and alters
that framebuffer
trinque: right, so what mircea_popescu described with
tits.bmp is a framebuffer
mircea_popescu: apparently
they did one of
the very few honest attempts at 3d, with spinning half-black disk and everything.
mircea_popescu: eh, vector display was
this attempt of console people in
the 80s
to fight
the killer micro.
trinque: still same horizontal scan pattern instead of
tracing out
the vector shapes?
trinque: so
that goes an entirely different direction from RAM full of sequential pixels, eh?
mircea_popescu: aha. imagine
that
thing, with individually wired pixels,
the cable coming out of its back as
thick as
the fucking viewport.
mircea_popescu: and if i want
to do a slideshow i do a for loop, and
the machine cycles
through
the bmps as fast as memory updates, which is
to say i get 2GHz ie 2 bn fps.
mircea_popescu: basically printing
the screen with
tits should be cat
tits.bmp > screen0
trinque: that's
the divergence here
trinque: certainly not in
the chip; CLIM is a very high level
thing, akin
to hypercard or
the browser and not a video driver
mircea_popescu: sure. but in your hands not in
the fucking crazy chip.
trinque: somebody does
the math for
the circle
mircea_popescu: this (xy)
thing is a raster artefact. i'm not fucking scanning
the pixels.
trinque: but I'm speaking of
the application layer; eventually you're
talking about an X,Y position, no?
mircea_popescu: pixels really are just color(rgb), 3 bytes.
the xy is implicit.
trinque: and
the former maps nicely
to being a CLIM backend, i.e. a framebuffer port of
the
thing wouldn't be
that hard
trinque: I
tend
to agree with
the former
mircea_popescu: do you understand
that
the "graphics" ad-hoc card-programming was more code
than
the actual game for most studios in
the period ?
mircea_popescu: just
the issues of bad blipping, flipped buffers, jesus almighty.
trinque: I can't just hide in
this nice niche where I call (draw-circle* ...) and
the
thing does?
mircea_popescu: taking
the god damned gpu hardware out of
the computer would improve it immensely.
mircea_popescu: the insanity
that occured.
the errors.
the nvida game developer dessant
teams.
the whole decade.
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't
think you appreciate
the horror of directx/opengl, for blessed lack of experience. but if you wish
to get spooked and not be able
to sleep ever again, do review
the history of opengl 2006-2016 in context.
trinque: but not as
though
this isn't cool
trinque: you'd still at
the application layer be describing operations on a plane which are a function over
the previous plane producing
the next
trinque: this is not related
to
the discussion of CLIM at all
mircea_popescu: by now "gpu" can move on
to its proper niche as... hash engine (ie, what in period lingo would be "math coprocessor") and
the video can go back
to being straight up dac
mircea_popescu: anyway - a
tightly coupled video-ram bridge would even do away with
the dumbass "drivers" and etc.
mircea_popescu: if i want
to see a 1mb page of "ram" on my display whop's
to prevent me. "real
time" wtf is
that.
trinque: I suppose I'll just wait around for
this before writing anything.
mircea_popescu: incidentally :
the whole "what part of buffer
to redraw" and
the assorted nonsense comes from a
time of scanning crts. i would be very much interested
to see computing hardware built around a lcd paradigm. which is
to say : no more hdds ; everything is flash rom,
the "hdd",
the "ram",
the "display". arrays of x by y cells is all.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 00:18 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have
this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on
that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does
this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit
there with it in.'
trinque: not
terribly much more
to CLIM, other
than sanity around which parts of buffer
to redraw
trinque: I walk one step at a
time like any fella
trinque: I've been doing all sorts of
things with CLIM bolted
to postgresql lately
trinque wonders aloud wtf asciilifeform has against
the relational model
ben_vulpes: just a classic 'how
to make a peanut butter sandwich' instructional piece
mircea_popescu: anyway,
there's some literary
talent in
the idle fucker, who'd have guessed ?
mircea_popescu: so
today we find ben_vulpes has
taken a celerity vow, which is like a chastity vow ("you shall not fucke") but it goes "you shall not worke for empire"
trinque: persistent CLOS with a CLIM gadget per
table would be *precisely*
the
thing.
mircea_popescu: in honesty i always found
this entire "reorder it by
timeline" bulky and ineffectual. my mental
teeth always did
this wire clenching by itself
trinque: asciilifeform: no, it's much closer
than
that
trinque: relational db must be rewritten in Lisp and
there must be a CLIM interface written for it
trinque: ahaha here's what I was just
typing:
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later
tell
thestringpuller will ping in a bit, got pm's shut off again so I can concentrate
mircea_popescu: bout same as current cunts.
there's a reason all
that's available
to
the general population on dating sites is well used 40+yos
thestringpuller: nah
these are irl people I meet and buy btc from who seem
to have "deep supply", so I have on idea where
they source
their funds
mircea_popescu: possibly because you're wasting your
time with internet dorks who aren't involved in asic market ?
thestringpuller: Every
time I mention miners
to a supplier
they freak out and vanish.
thestringpuller: Why is ASIC procurement feel like I'm
trying
to set up a large drug deal????
mircea_popescu: let it be pointed out
that it's
the best anal fissure curative agent.
mircea_popescu: and in
totally unrelated news, hyaluronic acid is not really available
this side od
the pond ?
mircea_popescu: dude... so you sit down
to read an article, like a phrase in it, keep going only
to notice you're actually mentioned.
mircea_popescu: "Either a priapic clown or an embalmed witch are going
to be running
this country next year, and all I have is a case of fermented corn syrup." << lol!