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trinque: the guy must be talking about having x11 windows overlap, and who does that anyway
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: if you import gtkism or whatnot - impossible to freeze meaningfully.
asciilifeform: pretty easy to do while it is an x11 proggy.
mircea_popescu: yes. so if it's emacs, then it's emacs, then we need to freeze a package of it or else face the eulora problem
asciilifeform: (emacs, znc, wires in your teeth, any)
mircea_popescu: "emulates" how ? you want to import xchat ?
asciilifeform: connect to whatever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho a correct gossipd simply emulates irc server on the user end.
mircea_popescu goes back to writing alt-feminist crazy.
asciilifeform: and in fact the reason the linked idiocy is so jaw-dropping is that the d00d broke the mightiest x11 proggy so as to fit his peculiar psychosis
mircea_popescu: hey. you gotta talk to user somewhere yes ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well with any luck tmsr fork of emacs will be part of gossipd anyways.
asciilifeform: motherfucker, looks like this was the warning bell, as soon as this idiocy makes it into mainline emacs (and it will) i will have to maintain own fork.
mircea_popescu: who thinks like this ?
mircea_popescu: ugh what the
asciilifeform: which does not take kindly to spawning shitwindows.
asciilifeform: that share screen space with the double-buffered region into independent X windows. Overall, it’s a giant hack.' << this is guaranteed to break it on all of my systems
asciilifeform: 'Emacs uses an X11 extension, DOUBLE-BUFFER, largely seen as an historical artifact. There are other hacks I didn’t describe, like putting scrollbars in their own X11 window, contrary to the intent and design of the GTK people. This extension allows us to reuse our existing drawing code and redirect it to an off-screen buffer. GTK+ or Lucid or Motif or whatever we’re using is oblivious. My diff turns scrollbars and other widgets
mircea_popescu: how about taking the fucking water out of the gasoline, for starters!
mircea_popescu: this sounds a lot like "my car engine doesn't run smooth so i'm going to fix the steering wheel, gas pedal etc."
asciilifeform: so that isn't why.
asciilifeform: and i don't use the terminal emacs either
asciilifeform: i've used emacs on pentium1 under bsd, on whatever, even on this year's crapple boxen, etc. and never saw this flicker.
asciilifeform: 'I am a sinner. Unrepentant. Damned. Thusly, for me, Emacs flickers constantly. I hate flicker. I love Emacs. Something has to change. I decided to hack Emacs to eliminate this antediluvian flickering.' << i am hearing about this flicker for the first time.
mircea_popescu: also there's this kickass bird that sits on my balcony and sings the shit out of it!
mircea_popescu: and in other "human encounters trilema", http://trilema.com/2014/consent-is-a-myth-lets-see-how-it-came-to-be/#comment-119601
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. what exactly can it be other than "a text program" ?
trinque: Internally, Emacs still belives it’s a text program, and we pretend Xt is a text terminal, and we pretend GTK is an Xt toolkit. It’s a fractal of delusion. << hahaha oh christ
jurov: and dude grafted double buffering on top of that
jurov: "Emacs pretends GTK+ is an old-fashioned Xt toolkit. The entire Emacs philosophy is to force $MODERN_THING to behave just like Xt just like a 1960s TTY. Emacs does awful things to GTK+ to maintain this illusion."
jurov: so far tried to make app with Qt bindings (commonqt), it worked but with lots of glue
mircea_popescu: anyway, the linked github is like the first laddel piece over a few dozen words that nevertheless made sense from end to end. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i thought it was 1.5 stuff
asciilifeform scratches head, goes wtf, whoever built (laser) machine thought that 1.3v was a logic 'high'
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell gabriel_laddel it's grueling not gruling
mircea_popescu: lol he put stan "from start to finish" on the required reading list.
mircea_popescu: actually, here's a theory http://66.media.tumblr.com/6436b5c40f8355e8c7238346a3adff31/tumblr_n5kilrH8zj1s8ixkuo1_1280.jpg
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 01:12 mircea_popescu: trinque dawg telling people a "^" is pretty fucking evil.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560415 << lol, I'm under the impression that gabriel_laddel trolls logs for highlights with a script, or would've provided better context ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Yes. New things are pointedly trailers innovatively anchored to ground.
asciilifeform: apparently it was a usg-subsidized ersatz thing for soldiers home from ww2. the vendor vanished when the budget was cut.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because classic version. New factory homes are the ones which can't even litorrally.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was quite certainly no water under the one i saw.
asciilifeform: where is the mega-profit he boasted of having from his worx ?? ☟︎
asciilifeform: and over what did gabriel_laddel and this d00d quibble over, what was it, < 1k usd ?! ☟︎
BingoBoingo: under foundation because piered foundations are popular for these, geography be damned
asciilifeform: d to reason with cattle. No more. Completing the CLX implementation, as described above should take no more than a few months.' << this is iirc the first time i am seeing 'mean girlz' in a shithub page.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 00:19 trinque: https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/clim << this would've been a fine use for V
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560409 >> 'He's more-or-less lent jackdaniel his signature, and is too much of a pushover to, say, speak up or block access rights to the repository when jackdaniel takes actions he disagrees with. Someone familiar with the fork suggested that it might be premature. Had I nipped this problem in the bud a week ago, I could have had translated the CLIM specifiction to CLIM by now. Instead, I attempte ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Small factories making houses not in assembly line, but in local batches. Then assembled (not built) on site. Also guess where shallow water plays a role.
BingoBoingo: Oh there are still factory built houses, but more of a littoral cottage industry.
asciilifeform: it would interfere with the real estate racket.
asciilifeform: in other 'news', i was walking on a street and saw a house that appeared to be made of steel. overgrown with jungle, apparently for decades, according to city hall. looked up what the thing was, turns out they were stamped out like cars: https://archive.is/isbKL
gabriel_laddel: Nope. Will try next time around.
gabriel_laddel: http://paste.lisp.org/display/329959 < for existing users: render macsyma forms directly into the buffer and operate on them there.
gabriel_laddel: masamune news: I've a machine for hosting the channel + logs+backups, but it is missing a power cord and doesn't have a bootable linux on it :/ Have never installed on a computer that didn't at the very least give me a boot screen, so have nfi how long this will take.
mircea_popescu: trinque dawg telling people a "^" is pretty fucking evil. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf yeah i guess that works
trinque: and also, yes I will host the thing's vpatch pile.
jhvh1: trinque: The operation succeeded.
trinque: !~later tell gabriel_laddel ^
trinque: Github pull requests give losers like jackdaniel too much insight into the workings of the project and git sucks anyways. << shithub's whole point is to bring losers like jackdaniel to the table.
trinque: https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/clim << this would've been a fine use for V ☟︎☟︎
phf: apparently i was putting it there
phf: it does add a visible space though, and i'm not sure why, hmm
phf: it was an end of line corner case that i didn't test, but no not altering, just the highlighting part
mircea_popescu: wikitardia prolly imagines it invented the process.
shinohai: I rather like we have a room full of editors here to watch for those sorts of things.
mircea_popescu: lol i guess it's a trophy of sorts!
shinohai: First one I ever noticed in a trilema article!
mircea_popescu: "he wished that their friendship played out end to end" >>> http://trilema.com/2013/requiem-for-a-dream/#selection-45.0-45.75
a111: Logged on 2016-10-30 17:25 deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2016/elliot-and-james-a-drinking-song/ << The Whet - Elliot and James, a Drinking Song
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-30#1560366 << ehehe this is prety good. ☝︎
trinque: methinks BingoBoingo will like this
asciilifeform: oh hey, the clit of clitler!
mircea_popescu: on the basis of recorded history sheep aren't safe if enough alcohol.
trinque: shinohai's hot for home ec teacher
mircea_popescu: that's shinohai ? i thought it was palin
mircea_popescu: phf so you're altering the logs ?!
diana_coman: ahahah, takes some heavy drinking for that one, hanbot
mod6: <+jurov> oglaf warns: don't procrastinate the accounting! http://oglaf.com/moonbeams/ << lol
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2016/elliot-and-james-a-drinking-song/ << The Whet - Elliot and James, a Drinking Song ☟︎
phf: (i'm just tuning in)
phf: and yet "provided by a fork of the bitcoin source". verily https://sjmj91.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/2001space037.jpg
phf: holy shit, zcash team is literally every single kind of degenerate assembled together. каждой тваре по паре
shinohai: I'm still working on that ... removing it so far breaks the whole plugin.
phf: i have by the way fixed url delimiters on btcbase. now if url ends in > ; . , and ) it won't include those chars. that might break a url in a case or two, but in most cases that actually fixes them
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/filologi-de-piei-de-closca/ << Trilema - Filologi de piei de closca
shinohai: I guess it is easy to hose down during those pesky ethnic cleansing campaigns.
shinohai: dat 1960's tilework
shinohai: If he is, I'll give him a bitcent just for taking the artform to a new level.
mircea_popescu: it almost seems like he's trolling.
shinohai: Nah, I sat in my chan with him about a week ago trying to help him once again poor guy
mircea_popescu: o that poor guy.
mircea_popescu: funny thing being, it's prolly faster. depending on your conn, obv, but i think for >50% of the world it would be
shinohai: Build from sauce? Ain't nobody got time for that!
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, reviewing eulora downloads, it seems people are 2.5x more likely to download jurov's binaries than source.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the coy pond, http://66.media.tumblr.com/438950fb33b2bda546f1e10e548c405d/tumblr_nhuahiaaqE1u5qy2fo1_1280.jpg