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nubbins`: i see a bike around town sometimes with wheels like that
benkay: i love bikes
nubbins`: benkay: i'm a bike guy :D
TomServo: asciilifeform: I somehow mis-read seigniorage as sovereign, so derp on my part. But I see your point.
nubbins`: benkay: i use the gym for the bikes in winter :)
TomServo: Dangit. I got pulled away.
Duffer1: have i asked that?
pankkake: meh, anyway I don't know what to do with it
pankkake: OK maybe I can get it in the first transaction, which seems isn't me… weird
pankkake: the only thing I didn't chaneg is txNew.vin[0].scriptSig and I have no idea what it is, if it matters, and how to find its value
pankkake: I give up on making a source for Altcoin… I don't understand why it orphans the blocks
asciilifeform: seigniorage is an actual problem. i personally know perfectly reasonable, intelligent people who won't go near btc because of Satoshi's coins.
TomServo: I thought it was pretty interesting to see the LTC DOGE hashrate intersect, and then re-intersect and what those implications might be.
mike_c: why do i keep misspelling business?
mike_c: i have had friends start buisnesses that i would not invest in. that didn't make them scum.
nubbins`: mike_c: i'm terrible with quotes
mike_c: i don't think that was it
TomServo: Something I think asciilifeform touched on, judging the merits of all cryptocurrencies... isn't hashrate pretty much the end-all-be-all?
Duffer1: i still <3 you TaT
ThickAsThieves: good to know i guess
nubbins`: go dig up some dirt on me, i'll wait here
ThickAsThieves: so basically i hath been judged by nubbins long ago?
nubbins`: "i didn't put the razor in the apple, i just gave it to the kid"
ThickAsThieves: i didnt even make it
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i hope you stuffed some serious 0day strange in there.
ThickAsThieves: i gained some very valuable experience
asciilifeform: i changed my mind. we should all love Altcoin. anyone who runs a 7MB turd of unknown provenance deserves the lessons contained therein.
ThickAsThieves: oh i did not hurt myself
nubbins`: i'm not saying you're a criminal, i'm saying you're hurting other people as well as yourself
ThickAsThieves: i sold mining futures
ThickAsThieves: am i a criminal for profiting off jurov when he did the opposite?
nubbins`: [16:14:38] <ThickAsThieves> i knew what i was selling
nubbins`: [16:07:54] <ThickAsThieves> First, I didn't really realize what would happen
ThickAsThieves: i knew what i was selling
ThickAsThieves: i regret that some people really did not understand what they were buying, despite utter transparency
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: maybe i missed something... but where's the source code?
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure i'd even call it a failure
ThickAsThieves: i dont regret it as a failure
nubbins`: [16:07:54] <ThickAsThieves> First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.
asciilifeform: mike_c: if pump'n'dump is a type of honest business, i'd hate to see what a scam is now
mike_c: btw, i disagree that an honestly run buisness that ends in failure is tarnishing to a reputation.
ThickAsThieves: what more can i do
ThickAsThieves: in a meta moment i made a meta altcoin
jborkl: What are you doing anywy Tat, I missed that part
ThickAsThieves: i will not
ThickAsThieves: First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.
ThickAsThieves: i do wish mircea was here, because even if i'm outright in the wrong, he'd at least be able to make that clear. i'm having real trouble with these arguments.
nubbins`: i've heard of him
nubbins`: you asked me if mp was running a scam by making a better coingen. i ask you if there's a mirceacoin
jborkl: so what did I miss about GOX? just read a article that bitcoin withdraws are not working now? (not that I use them anymore)
Duffer1: when i argue against something, i take the time later to try to argue for it, i can't think of any arguments for altcoin atm (but that could very likely be user error) hehe
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i, for one, had no notion of convincing you that bamboozling people is wrong. only that you are ultimately burning your own furniture for heat.
mike_c: ok, i give up. let's debate abortion and gun control instead.
ThickAsThieves: Maybe, I make Altcoin, it does pretty good, then something goes bad and people lose a bunch of money. Then I admit you guys were right. The guilt eats my soul til I realize I must now design the best coin ever. I do, and it kills bitcoin, and the world basks in a new dawn of finance. I load up IRC "sup fuckers, good thing I made Altcoin!"
asciilifeform: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=359_1336476686
mike_c: never, i own one ATC. hence my position :)
mike_c: i like that analogy. so TaT threw a cig butt on the ground. who cares?
asciilifeform: naturally, people will shit out alts. nothing i can say here would put the slightest dent in it. just as they will continue to throw cigarette butts from cars.
ThickAsThieves: I think you have limited the possible futures too much
mike_c: i think you are vastly overestimating public knowledge of even the existence of altcoins
pankkake: it's wasn't really about working, but I didn't want to add a dependency for nothing
pankkake: in the end, for what I wanted to do, I ended up calling gpg directly
jurov: i had in mind portability issues
pankkake: I doubt the performance issues of pympex are in the Python code ;)
pankkake: I need to find something interesting to write in C
pankkake: thanks, this is also what I found :)
ThickAsThieves: i dunno
pankkake: does anyone here know basic C? how do I print, say, 0x0b? I want it to be 0x0b on the screen, or similar
Duffer1: i believe that is the likely outcome as well ascii
pankkake: it's pchMessageStart, but I'm not sure how to reverse-engineer it
ThickAsThieves: and it certainly wont be because i made Altcoin
pankkake: well, I'm stuck :(
ThickAsThieves: i dont know
ThickAsThieves: seriously, you cant definitively win one argument and now i'm a shill
kakobrekla: I wish blowjob and icecream
denlove: I wish I had someone send bitcoin to please. 16ZdMuyrVuuupSjVZyPmBWwjHsbcweKGUk
asciilifeform: 'a) repaint your black car. it should be blue. b) why should i ? a) blue is just as good as black b) wtf a) here, i'll sell you some paint b) what's the value to me a) it doesn't need added value, blue is better '
ThickAsThieves: there are no powers i get or use
asciilifeform: then your real proposition is 'i ought to be Satoshi and will use the powers for Good'
ThickAsThieves: again i think this is a false assumption as well, alts needing new concepts
asciilifeform: if there's added value ('i've an nsa-resistant work-function, here, look') we're all ears.
nubbins`: i don't assume that
ThickAsThieves: i do not
ThickAsThieves: i dont think that's a proper comparison
ThickAsThieves: but i cant say that i wont sell knives
ThickAsThieves: i can say i dont want to hurt anyone
mike_c: i lost money on mpex once. mp is a scammor.
nubbins`: if you can justify it to yourself, there's not much i can do to convince you otherwise
Duffer1: this argument is why i never made Hodorcoin, in the end, someone was going to lose money on it
ThickAsThieves: i'm selling streets
ThickAsThieves: except i'm not picking pockets
asciilifeform: 'if i hadn't picked his pocket, some other fellow would've.'
nubbins`: i think it's immoral to sell a cardboard box painted up like a house to a new family
ThickAsThieves: maybe i dont
ThickAsThieves: maybe i buy some
ThickAsThieves: i dont care
ThickAsThieves: i havent even pondered what my investment strategy might be for it
nubbins`: what if i just want to stuff a cigarette with match heads to see what happens?
ThickAsThieves: you act like i'm inventing altcoins
nubbins`: i do too