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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> davout pretty sure he's doing "la pen" because woman see. << Aha. Also because what say do people in France have over everything
turning
their language over
to a socialist "Academy" and shit.
mircea_popescu: because what
the fuck else would crown
the retard more
than
the pretense
that he's some sort of misunderstood genius, and his betters "naive" ?
mircea_popescu: and of course,
the capper : "This memo does not introduce any new security issues, but it does attempt
to identify some of
the problems inherent in a family of recurring
technically naive proposals."
mircea_popescu: "this is a
technical requirement, not a policy choice" - fancy
that wonder. what else is "not a policy choice" ?
mircea_popescu: "but without our stupid bigotry
there'd be CHAOS!!11". yeah, i'm sure
there would be. for you.
mircea_popescu: they built usg in not for any reason
than because
they WERE usg. postel's "oh noes - otherwise CHAOS" is exactly symptomatic. just like
the arab mind can't quite comprehend how one who doesn't give a shit about allah may manage
to drink from a cup, just so usgtards can't comprehend how one who isn't a socialist can at all live.
mircea_popescu: other party. Such a condition rules out
the ability
to define a symbol within some bounded context. In such a case, once
the communication moves out of
the context of interpretation in which it was defined,
the meaning of
the symbol becomes lost."
mircea_popescu: (note
that
they quite exactly identify
the exact reason gossipd makes empire impossible : "In
the case of a public communications system
this condition of a common symbol set with a common semantic interpretation must be further strengthened
to
that of a unique symbol set with a unique semantic interpretation.
This condition of uniqueness allows any party
to initiate a communication
that can be received and understood by any
ben_vulpes: freenic doesn't appear
to be in any better shape.
Framedragger: well you cant fault
them for not having heard of gossipd. (cue everyone: YES YOU CAN). re. i2p, well its an interesting project. but - doomed.
ben_vulpes: i suspect
that i knocked
their local usg rep into 'tilt mode' last night
ben_vulpes: anyways, opennic project is ~dead, with remaining maggots deeply allergic
to republican notions.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: happy
to hand mine over, but vvande has deeper logs and will share
them with you for
the asking
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol, did a double-take on
the dood in
the back
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: point
taken -
this should ideally eventually change, etc...
Framedragger: (truncated. assumes 8 bits per char. not
the favourite / not sure, but i like it.)
Framedragger: kur
tik būdavau nuoširdus galėjau ant jos išsilieti
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you said you generally like dns
transport, but just fyi it afaik limits udp packets
to 512 bytes (which iirc you hate). but i guess
the
term is something more like "tolerate", not "like"...
mircea_popescu: sorta europe's own mississippi valley. no wonder nobody
thinks much of
the inhabitants.
mircea_popescu: yeah
that entire strip, from dalmatian coast
to black sea, epic watermelons. ~where danube flows
Framedragger: when i was hitch hiking in albania a few years back, i ate lotsa watermelons. because 1)
they were awesome
there, and 2) it was middle of summer, hot, so lower food intake overall
mircea_popescu: all girls are gone
to
town,
therefore /me cracks 10kg watermelon out of fridge, proceeds
to EAT ALL OF IT!
Framedragger: (yes, afaik decent place.
tu-munich >>
tu-berlin probably,
tho)
mircea_popescu: they're meeting with
the head of
teh bnd etc on some sort of regular basis.
mircea_popescu: tu berlin is
the
technische universitat berlin,
their version of a politechnic. sec.t-labs.tu-berlin is
the "institut fur softwaretechnick und
theoretische informatik" (ie
the cs faculty of said college)'s it security lab.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it'd actually be better form
to not publicize it so soon huh.
mircea_popescu: i
think ima actually write a short qntra re
this,
thinking about it.
mircea_popescu: so if
this is some "expert" hardware
that does
this stupid shit, we'll be seeing it again.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you mean it had 0
to do with 8ball ? it went because known factors not because paired with something neh ?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: kewl. wonder what
they will say. and what
they used
to generate
the key..
mircea_popescu: and in random news nobody cares about,
the "republic of moldavia", romania's
to "northern ireland" elected russian puppet guy president (igor dodon). putin's ridin' high.
Framedragger: how did
that kharms story go, about
the guy dreaming he was a bush..
Framedragger: lean and clean. i may just
try
that. i understand
the need more and more.
mircea_popescu: and i also keep it a few dozen lines, so
there is
that.
Framedragger: quite delicious! mississippi mud pie. oreo base, brownie-esk filling. amateur-made (office
tradition), but very much acceptabru.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm curious, do you currently manually add entries
to your hosts file? wireshark shows so much gunk flying around. like, i've got ad blockers and everything, but still lotsa facebook dns requests all around, etc.
Framedragger: what is nice is
that
the dns
transport itself is quite elegant - questions/answers - one packet for query, another for answer. so
transport is (in principle) compatible with session-less gossipd model, i
think.
Framedragger: oh god. dns is defined using a shitload of RFCs. but easiest way
to learn of low-level
transport nuances is, well, wireshark. so, wiresharking and eating cake. at
the very least
this will end up as (possibly) useful website comment for future adventurers.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-12 15:50 mircea_popescu: set up your client
to pick
two-of-three, give it 1 republic and 2 reich servers. it'll give you republic for all
the
things reich doesn't know and reich for stuff like apple.com
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you'd still want r-dns
to be able
to serve existing dns clients
though, right? i mean,
things like `nslookup`, dns resolution libraries, etc -
the current dns protocol? or no?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu:
thanks for bearing with me. yes, fixation.
mircea_popescu: and holy shit no you don't want
to reuse dns server code oh my fucking god.
Framedragger: ah, "r-dns" is republican dns. not reverse dns or sth like
that. more clear
mircea_popescu: shows you
the power of bias / mental fixation i guess ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-14 12:27 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1566990 <<
there is no such
thing as "tld".
there's just strings. if you query r-dns for "fucksgoats" you get ip for "fucksgoats". if you query for "hurrdurr.fuckgoats" you get ip for "hurrdurr.fucksgoats". if you query for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" you get ip for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6".
Framedragger: up until
this point i
thought
that
the idea would be
to use an existing dns server, for sake of ease
Framedragger: i wonder if a simpler key-value store wouldn't work as a replacement for dns server. "flatten"
the whole
thing, so
that, as you say, dns server wouldn't distinguish between
types of substrings.
the latter would be up
to
the client, if it willed
to do so.
mircea_popescu: yeah, what can i
tell you, as ingenious as walk. 10s of ks of years old.
mircea_popescu: we've been amply using
this "alternate leg" climbing method
to build
towers.
Framedragger: yes indeed; and now i see
that maybe
there wouldn't be
too much of a redundancy
there -
that is, when gossipd arrives, dns server could still accept pgprams,
they'd simply come via gossipd - and
the latter may even sit behind an abstracted network interface, etc.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, but communicatin by sending pgpgrams is already a simplified gossipd is
the point.
mircea_popescu: the OTHER disaster of commons of
the republican era is discussed on
trilema re "you can't decide what's worth doing", if you recall
that footnote.
Framedragger: and, i suppose, republican dns server could work in a way
that already facilitates session-less communication - pgprams issuing orders
to change zone files, etc.
mircea_popescu: it's a
typical disaster of commons of
the republican era -
the needs and interests of people not here yet figure a lot less in
the eyes of
the present man
than his immediate pulsion of lowest order. and in 10 years
the choices so made become written in stone and
the poor schmucks pay for
them. it's sad but unsolvable.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: my excuse is, i don't feel like i have enough original content
to keep spamming your comments box. what can i say. such self esteem
mircea_popescu: at first, gossipd replaces
the current "talk
to servers
to admin your strings" which happens, essentially, over substitute-email and
http-sessions. Framedragger: and maybe it's worth
to focus on gossipd first. but i see what you're saying regarding
these
two
things being parallel. i guess.
mircea_popescu: "but
that part wouldn't be
the first
to relate.
the part
that'd first
to relate is
that you gotta
talk
to
these servers
to admin your strings"
Framedragger: the whole "patch a DNS server and run alternative root" effort sounds interesting and useful, but, as you said, eventually
the underlying layer would need
to swapped for gossipd anyway. in gossipd, UDP/TCP as currently used by DNS may not even work. hence
there may be a redundancy of effort;
mircea_popescu: and of course we managed
this situation where half
the conversation is here hjalf on
trilema
to maximally confuse
the future interested party. ALL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE
THE PATIENCE
TO GET ANSWER
THERE!111
Framedragger: so yeah, running a republican dns root would still imply "collaborating" with current internet infrastructure. reform, not revolution. something like, in
those
tmsr ISP discussion, someone e.g suggesting
to acquire an autonomous system number for
tmsr. "is it even worth it."
mircea_popescu: there is EXACTLY ONE solution
to "zooko's
triangle" - and it is called gossipd. it works by crushing
the socialist mind and its foul expectation of "any person is any person". not fucking so.
mircea_popescu: i suppose, but
that part wouldn't be
the first
to relate.
the part
that'd first
to relate is
that you gotta
talk
to
these servers
to admin your strings. and well...
talk over... what.
Framedragger: to an extent, i would say, no? in gossipd, user would have
their own "hosts" file, mapping mircea_popescu
to $fingerprint or w/e
mircea_popescu: also,
the customization is
the job of
the client not of
the server. "you wanna use
this - here's
the standard" suffices.