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Framedragger: asciilifeform: i
thought so
too, but basically mircea_popescu's idea would dispatch of
the whole 'dns zone' concept.
there would be no 'domain' per se. dns clients could still query 'loper-os', but
the server would be a simple
table, with no understanding of zones or significance of "."
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 18:35
trinque: one central
table of all
things seems entirely anti-gossipd
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567823 << every system you ever use will have a dictionary ; and every system you ever used in
the past had a dictionary.
this is unavoidable. you prefer one over another, dictionaries, systems,
that's your problem. but if you read
the linked rfc -
there's parts
they get right, right before
the parts
they fuck up
that i underlined in red.
☝︎ Framedragger: personally i don't see why
there could not be a GNS which would be separate from commitments
to specific
transport standards. have a
table, have a
transport layer, swap
the layer later. i may be naive in regards
to
the "swap" step, i guess... :/
mircea_popescu: there's no discussion re any of
that. who said "unauthenticable" ?
trinque: it's kinda "I will not
take
this land until it is flying my flag already"
mircea_popescu: that's
the whole discussion re "delgation" in
the comments.
mircea_popescu: go find one line of code currently involved in dns in any capacity
that you can prove is going
to remain
there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform keeps my foot. what
the hell does it keep ?
Framedragger: there could be WoT members maintaining
their own namespaces
that others may want
to peruse, etc.
Framedragger: so, yeah. and i'm no longer convinced it would redundant, in
the sense
that when gossipd cometh, one must
throweth
the 'general name system' away
Framedragger: i don't have a strong opinion, i wonder what mircea_popescu
thinks. i guess
the answer would also focus on
the "while we still must use it" aspect
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 18:19 asciilifeform: which is why i'm not
terribly
thrilled with strategic retreats like 'let's keep dns but with our root' etc.
trinque: just
that it does *not* map sanely
to gossiptronics
trinque is not opposed
to doing something with DNS while we still must use it
☟︎ Framedragger: trinque: right,
this is cf. gossipd's "everyone has
their own a la hosts file, and does with it what
they like". is
that what you meant?
trinque: I call
that guy "shithead" and you call him "sir"
Framedragger: trinque: i meant as a generic string -
trying
to avoid
the
term 'domain' as
the latter is not accurate..
Framedragger: trinque: but yes,
the central
table
thing remains
Framedragger: trinque: not
that part.
the
transport part - name query/response, as well as name updates.
trinque: one central
table of all
things seems entirely anti-gossipd
☟︎ Framedragger: re. plaintext for all NSAs
to read, sure,
there's
that. goes against gossipd's "no free bits for
the unauthenticated" i guess. but again,
this can be wrapped in gossipd later.
scriba: Logged on 2016-11-15: [18:22:14] <asciilifeform> Framedragger: it is retreat in
that it keeps 10,000,001 lines of C written by
teenagers
Framedragger:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161115/#440 << sure, i guess. (note
though
that
this effort would get rid of dns server code,
though. and it does not obstruct one from later patching dns client code / rewriting a much more simplistic name query client.)
Framedragger: right, both precision and accuracy required (any error rate cripples
the UX, etc.)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: "it was interesting learning experience in
that i never understood how ~motherfucking reliable~ an ordinary keyboard must be before it feels usable." very interesting! nice project. (ppm == pixels per meter?)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: which is, i
think, not a complete retreat, so
to speak
Framedragger: asciilifeform: do note
that mircea_popescu's idea of keeping dns is more akin
to a general WoT-enforced hashtable, update-able via (in principle) gossipd-compatible pgprams, and (for
the
time being)
transportable over dns/udp.
the latter so
that dns clients can make use of it.
Framedragger: (in fairness,
the html sometimes mangles
two words
together, omitting a space, or somesuch. not many words are lost. but still, shame.)
Framedragger: (and no,
the irony of linking
to pdf which
talks about stupid frontend formats is not lost on me... :( )
scriba: what
the screenshot is).as newman put it, "to see
things as
they are,
to go righ
scriba: Logged on 2016-11-15: [17:08:07] <mircea_popescu> not, on
the other hand,
to deny
that
there in fact exists
this subculture dedicated
to
the screenshot as quotation mechanism, or
that
tech support
teams regularly see
terrabytes of crap each month, clogging
the
tubes for no conceivable reason. it has
to do with a failure of literacy, a certain laziness of
the mind
that
thinks in symbols (which is
Framedragger:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161115/#349 << ohmygerd how i hate
this shit. it ends with "to quote
text in screenshot of screenshot, i'll make a screenshot".
tumblr at least retains/-ed
the concept of a "quote as a block of
text". wouldn't be surprised if not for long.
BingoBoingo: Well, as Elliot pointed out
Tail is also an Inequity
pete_dushenski: "At
Twitter, he didn't collect a salary or stock options last year and only received personal and residential security costs
totaling $68,506." << dorsey's 2015 figures
BingoBoingo: Nah, it's Inequity. See Jack, he is in
Tweaven and you are banned.
mircea_popescu: maybe some of 'em want
to go away for a weekend, you don't know
till you ask amirite.
mircea_popescu: eh. maybe
they're paying him in fresh
tail. so he made up some scam, sold it
to some suckers for $$$,
then
they want him
to come back and be worshipped by all
the interns ? sure, why not.
BingoBoingo: Sure but
they are porlly paying him with Inequity!
pete_dushenski: he was kicked out / sold out when
twitter was nearing peak valuation
then brought back
to 'save' co. meanwhile he shoulda stayed on
the beach sipping margaritas because he failed miserably
to 'pull a steve'
mircea_popescu: lol chris rock dun give a shit, he's promoting some new movie and big
titty
tuesday
pete_dushenski: gotta appeal
to any and all possible suitors now
that it's
turning
tricks on
the corner for dimes. go jack!
mircea_popescu: o hey, apparently
twitter DOESN'T have you know, guidelines etc anymore.
pete_dushenski: like whole #rapemelania
thing, libertards are now outting
themselves as
the biggest racists/sexists/bigots around, post-trump
mircea_popescu: kinda
the point of
the whole "special" bullshit. everything
the anal child does is directed
towards
the same protection of his childhood, and in
this particular case - if he's special enough
then you can't "say bad
things" because are outside ; and if you're not outside he'll just... specialize more.
mircea_popescu: "It hurt me inside knowing somebody from outside our race is
talking bad about us," said Rodriguez, carrying a sign reading, "Brown and Proud."
mircea_popescu: what happened
to "you're not willing
to follow
the rules, you can't
take public office" ?
mircea_popescu: i
think some magic could be had where you put all
the new items into a new
table
then merge
the
two
tables where hashes don't match.
mircea_popescu: to get back
to
the pguctor feeding briefly - you mean "one at a
time" as in insert into whatever values () as opposed
to insert into whatever values (),(),() ?
mircea_popescu: ie,
the back button itself is promisetronic as implemented by browsers. "almost like lisp!"
mircea_popescu: well, in fairness
the back button
thing is because browsers are shit more
than anything.
there's a
thousand ways
to break it, including by introducing an expiring page in
the stack etc.
mircea_popescu: but javascript is specifically dedicated
to doing dumb shit like "i'll pretend
to be you - and fill
the clipboard"