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gabriel_laddel: the shopify
thing is just so I have something
to point confused sillycon valley people
to.
gabriel_laddel: I may have
to cancel your order because I cannot ship
to Ar, but nevertheless.
gabriel_laddel: anyways, no
they can't use snapchat, whatsapp or any mobile applications, but yes,
they can youtube, gmail, and all web stuff.
There is an xterm available via
the splash screen for
those who need it.
mircea_popescu: well yes, from what i understood you've been
trying
to stand up a whole
thing, from hardware ?
mircea_popescu: check out
the latest kardashian ass pics, do
the yoga routine, cheezburger, foodporn, etc ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: We're
talking about masamune I presume (which sure, isn't really separable from CLIM)?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so it actually is ho-level complete replacement of ipad whatever,
they can do on your item whatever
they do, snapchat, whatsapp, whatever ?
gabriel_laddel: Rather
than debating
the fine points of gossipd, just implemented it and move on.
gabriel_laddel: anyways,
the point of
this scheme is
that it can be implemented in all of a week for someone who has some spare compute sitting around (ie, not me right now)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski
they seriously made
that domain ? i
thought was just bingo being memetic.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so basically you can make lisp machines i can give out
to hos ?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: but
the point is, swapping whatever backend out is easy. If you want sockets, fine, just switch. It isn't like programming CLIM is difficult.
trinque: and if
that were so legions of
things in lisp would not work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much a mistake. i was going
to say something derisive about
the % but
then i passed.
Framedragger: (ideally, i would guess, it'd munch datagrams,
too, because gossipd is
to have no stateful connections of
the
tcp kind.)
gabriel_laddel: trinque: because I've had issues with sockets in lisp every single
time I've used
them, whereas irc works fine every
time.
trinque has plenty of
those sitting around in lisp
mircea_popescu: so basically, you're
talking about a client stack on which a browser-like could be stood up ?
gabriel_laddel: ascii confessed
to having a 90% complete version months ago.
gabriel_laddel: ^ exactly.
then we just wait for someone
to get annoyed enough with
the backend
that
they swap it out with gossipd.
gabriel_laddel: IRC has some limits on sending files and whatnot, so well-formed sexprs will be used
to name FTP servers which you can download files and such from.
Framedragger: asciilifeform linked
to
that phoronix
thread, and
there were in point of fact good replies on
that
thread, who acknowledged significance of phuctor, but of course asciilifeform chose
to focus on
the stupid kiddos
there.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: noted. (that's actually a problem i'm always easy
to be set off on a stupid rant, but it's harder
to be constructive etc. not
that
this is a unique
trait. and
there's a superficial connection
to
the whole rant-y nature of
things,
that is:
gabriel_laddel: The way
this will work: an invite-only IRC channel with a +v voice model is used
to send s-expression strings between networked CLIM applications.
gabriel_laddel: The web is nothing more
than networked graphics. CLIM supplies graphics, but no networking.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel is
this cl-fpt an apache replacement
then ?
gabriel_laddel: ^ patch
the lastest CL-FTP with
that ftp.lisp and it'll work
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you want
to write a monograph on
that
topic i'd read.
trinque: Framedragger: it has a couple of paid consulting firms driving it
though
Framedragger: they invite student interns
to write stuff,
too, and afaik it's high quality,
too. again, just good selection i guess. but also - interest
to participate.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: you're going
to have
to give "web can now be a
thing" a bit more detail
Framedragger: you know, i wonder how postgresql has managed not
to die, and
to remain, as far as i can see it, a quality product still. both in
terms of codebase, and in
terms of
the set of maintainers and current engineers. probably very strict selection criteria, very strong people in
the initial set (funded by / researchers at .su
technical uni etc)
mircea_popescu: you can't simply
take
the pages out, photograph
the miners in boudoir interiors and overwrite
them with "IT LIFTS! AND IT SEPARATES!"
mircea_popescu: yeah. in different
terms, if you run a shop selling denim overalls for farmers and miners and notice
that
this magazine sells (quite lucratively!) chiffon dresses
to boston ladies,
mircea_popescu: well, no.
the objection is, in nucet,
that you've not so far proposed a bridge over
the gap of "the republic is about empowering people
to matter in
the world and
the redditardisms are about assuring cattle
that
their play will have no consequences"
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: regarding
the "let's do cicada" objection -
there probably are several angles which one could counter with - is
the main one basically what
trinque said, i.e., it's a form of (dishonest,
to boot) bait-and-switch, which selects for some $random_criterion and
the latter may not at all
translate into what's actually useful?
Framedragger: "The
third period, as we have seen, was prepared in 1897 and [...] was a period of disunity, dissolution, and vacillation. [...] by way of summing up what has been expounded above, we may meet
the question, What is
to be done? with
the brief reply: Put an End
to
the
Third Period."
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 17:39 mircea_popescu: but it is reassuring
to see
that a century later,
the menshevik-bolshevik debate is all happily chugging along.
mircea_popescu: 2021 ? you folks'd better provision,
there's literally no
telling what a bitcent means in four years
trinque: it is certainly one louder
than
ten.
trinque watched a vid of his new floating stage
today
ben_vulpes: longest potential horizon wager in
tmsr~ yet?
mircea_popescu: which explains why "a fascination with
the complexity of universe" or similar blabla is so predictive of idiocy (call it iyi, jewry, whatever) :
the dude who goes "i fucking love science!!1" in response
to artist's renditions of galaxies has a very low
tolerance
to complexity.
mircea_popescu: in
the end,
the only difference between us and
them is
that we're not particularly impressed with
the notion of "bn datapoints!!1" because whatever, i'll just cat/grep
them.
their computer only has notepad and it can't load bn line files.
mircea_popescu: * = or until your connection floods and you
turn it off.
mircea_popescu: "rather
than have you evaluate 1bn datapoints, how about i send you
the number 4 a
thousand
trillion
times*"
mircea_popescu: no,
the more i
think about it,
the more
this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: then let's make "all of
them agree" and suddenly - problem solved!
mircea_popescu: apparently if i have a billion datapoints and a billion idiots who can't, individually, evaluate a
thousand data points,
the solution is
to create a list of all
the
thousand
trillion "evaluations" of each data point by each idiot, and
then list
those. because why deal with a billion when i could deal with a
thousand
trillion.
mircea_popescu: hence why any "discussion" of
the global warming scam by
the proponents starts and ends with a litany of... all
the proponents
that agree with
this proponent.
mircea_popescu: hence
the whole "i want
time magazine
to
tell me how
the shutdown relates
to me" ie, "i don't want any data (ie, anything about objective reality, outside) i just want commentary, entirely baseless if possible."
mircea_popescu: there's nothing substantively making
the data less comprehensible
than
the commentary. on
the contrary, if you had
to write a parser it'd be easier
to write it for
the data -
the commentary is baseless and as such incomprehensible
through sheer variance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even, it's more a matter of "but
the wall meat is pink and his meat is purple. purple is better"
mircea_popescu: AND, observably,
the recipes slowly diverge - it was 1 part wall meat
to 3 parts cattle meat years ago, but by now it's 1
to 10 or elss
mircea_popescu: the model for
the situation is roughly speaking
that of a man caught in a prison made out of cooked meat, walls so
thick he can't physically eat his way
through - and his reaction is
to raise cattle
to make sausage.
mircea_popescu: it's a very interesting paradoxical effect
this, from either a cultural anthropology or a gnoseology angle,
that when deluged with first hand data
the human brain reacts by secreting and seeking out... commentary, which is
to say spurious
text
that's not even data.
mircea_popescu: never fear
the FEARFUL!!!1 by consensus, what's awesome by everyone's agreement is always
the magical wizard of oz, a hunchback old codger behind a mirror.
mircea_popescu: but he
talks
to
the postmodern crowd,
that's drowned in information it can't process.
the same "public opinion" which snowden imagined will cause some sort of equivalent reaction
to nuclear holocaust only bigger
through publishing his data ; but
then
turned out
to fizzle (exactly like
the nukes)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 17:49 asciilifeform: ( in related 'news', phuctor 'fan' :
https://archive.is/dQFvt >> 'Oh,
the Phuctor guy. Ignore him, he has a history of spreading FUD about PGP being horribly broken and accusing anyone who corrects him of being part of some elaborate cover-up (and in at least one case,
threatening
to contact
the university of
the person who did so. ' )
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569826 << meanwhile read
the source. phoronix forum lel. anyway - funnily enough, and predictably enough
the dude plays
the "commentary supersedes reality" game, and purports
to handwave
the... what is it, 1.5k cracked moduli with loose discussion of a coupla imaginary examples he came up with on
the spot, notwithstanding
that after all
the whole fucking
thing is published.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:39
trinque:
this morning's conversation has me
thinking over how
to do
this without accounts
ben_vulpes: obviously it weakens
the automatability of your processing
to open up a hole for contesting deposits
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 12:27 jurov: what does electrum do? enables one
to accept payments without having "mismatched amounts are kept" sinkhole in
the foyer, which ben_vulpes seem
to be
too fond of.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 12:01 mircea_popescu: read more like "i'm not smart enough for
this one,
try next door"
to me :)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 08:50 jurov: i just
threw my hands in disgust and use electrum. negrate as you wish.
shinohai: Ironically, an individual with
the name waffle_ shows up blue in my client.
mircea_popescu: even
the quoted statement is a disguised
tautology. "don't herd with
the guy
that's not herding with
the herd." hurr durr, i
totally needed a degree in something of
the other studies
to figure
this much out!
mircea_popescu: the part where
this is necessarily self-limiting, and always ends an "inexplicable hillary defeat" is out of
their horizon.
mircea_popescu: the graph is walked backwards.
they say what
the audience expects. not schooled in any facts, it's all "consensus building"