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mircea_popescu: peterl i could. and then my own bitcoin and my own planet
r3wt: pankkake: should i waste my time with that or should i continue writing ssl sockets for LUA?
r3wt: yeah, php is an odd language im not sure why i learned it other than there is just alot of info on it out there and it seemed easy for me to learn
mircea_popescu: pankkake i was just reading that
r3wt: well this is my first project but i can already see that i do not want to do php forever.
r3wt: that is a tough task for me. i find myself doing alot of reading and then some trial and error
davout: r3wt: tbh i think what matters most isn't the language, is to strive to understand exactly what's hapenning
mircea_popescu: mike_c it was an enjoying read. i am a sadist :D
r3wt: so i should be learning python and lisp or what?
mircea_popescu: I passionately hated PHP for a long time after that, but it's just not relevant enough to my work anymore to hate.
mircea_popescu: In other words, I was unsuccessful in explaining this rather basic concept. They got it blisteringly wrong, and hacked this wrongness into the language for all time. I attempted to explain (much more patiently than here) that no, this is not what === is supposed to do, but I wasn't heard. Not by Zeev, not by anyone else on channel. No one got it at all.
mircea_popescu: Amen to the cavalier attitude. You know about PHP's Javascript-esque === operator? (that's the one with three equals signs). That got designed on the spot in an IRC session with Zeev and some other devs. Because I actually had to explain to these folks what the concept of "object identity" was, i.e. what lisp does with 'eq', python does with 'is', and Javascript does with ===. Yes, because PHP's is different. Not only
davout: i don't want to live on this internet anymore
kakobrekla: but i typed a str
kakobrekla: what did i just type
davout: sorry if (x === true) { return true; } else { return false; } <<< i've actually seen this
r3wt: php is shit. i will always like it because its my first thing i learned but even i can realize the problems it has
mircea_popescu: see, this i will dispute.
mircea_popescu: Weak typing (i.e., silent automatic conversion between strings/numbers/et al) is so complex that whatever minor programmer effort is saved is by no means worth it.
mircea_popescu: i still don't believe there's anything that even comes close to php for as long as what you're doing is basically... a blog.
mircea_popescu: run("hello i am running strings on your stack");
davout: Apocalyptic: yeah, sorry, i guess i'm used to my language being insecure, not dumb
mircea_popescu: i can hear the collective multifacepalms of log reader ppl already.
davout: i yield
kakobrekla: i told you 356 lineas ago
r3wt: it would be a string right? or i'm just stupid?
mircea_popescu: it should be i reckon
pankkake: I remember once when I had to do a replace of '[]' by '{}', to fix the php json export
r3wt: yea i know the difference lol
mike_c: i like how it is "optimized" for all those things
mircea_popescu: i like the "probably more" part.
kakobrekla: but (i hope) its a bool ??
mircea_popescu: r3wt so i guess now you have the answer : wot is the church of bitcoin miracles.
kakobrekla: i guess that makes it true
mircea_popescu: <r3wt> ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one << pretty good this.
r3wt: i was asking if a string in an array was false within the original function, then i was asking if the function was a boolean
davout: r3wt: yeah, pretty much what i was yelling at you :-)
r3wt: ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one
davout: pankkake: i don't think you can
pankkake: and I suppose you can use it for replacements too. that's one of the things I miss in Python, direct regexp access
mircea_popescu: i like the >=< operator.
davout: Apocalyptic: maybe it has the NOT_EXACTLY_SURE_WHAT_I_M_DOING operator
mike_c: i held my tongue for like a whole page
davout: r3wt: test it out i guess
r3wt: you could be right and i'm just a dumbass overcomplicating things. i'll try your way and see.
r3wt: as far as i'm aware.
davout: if everyone misunderstands i guess it cancels everyone out
benkay: i love the javascript "no, really: are these things equal or not?" ===
davout: so drop the whole equality test and i assume it should work
mircea_popescu: no reason i guess.
r3wt: i tried == to i believe.
davout: r3wt: i know nothing of your code, but aren't you trying to test strict equality with a string when the value is a boolean?
r3wt: anything i change now will be temporary
r3wt: so probably something i just need to go back to the drawing board on, but i'm not really interested in working on the php version anymore. there is literally no point in doing so
r3wt: @dav, yeah probably something i overlooked. when i print the returned info its fine,b ut when i try to use if($row["isvalid"]) === "false") it fails
jurov: i think now i know everything i need about you
r3wt: maybe its just php, i'm not sure. hopefully it works better in LUA
r3wt: for whatever reason, i haven't been able to get validate address to work correctly.
Apocalyptic: r3wt, i know of at least 3 different people waiting on withdrawals
jurov: and maybe some day someone whom i trust will rate you too, so i'll know we can do business
r3wt: so i just say, go rate my otc profile?
r3wt: i'm in the WOT now yes?
mircea_popescu: i can't see how it's anything but a stupid idea.
r3wt: says i'm already logged in as r3wt
r3wt: i'm already ident though
r3wt: hmm, i think i forgot the irc commands
r3wt: ok, it says registration successful. so i'm in?
pankkake: anyway, this gpg identity thing allows me to do what I've always wanted to do, a secure way to link profile together
punkman: I have nothing to do with it
punkman: pankkake: I don't like that part either
r3wt: hey gribble i want to register but don't want to use GPG
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
benkay: i now have some
benkay: i have learned this
benkay: i designed a regen motor for printing
benkay: at which point i was sucked off the rocket team and into the quadrotor team
benkay: 6" id if i recall correctly?
benkay: i nominate portland state aerospace society for their open source rocketry work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe. i mean... you know, do whatever we want to do.
mircea_popescu: may be a good idea, tho i fear automated trust systems may be hijacked in the way kakobrekla describes.
mircea_popescu: im just trying to export my boardroom into your lives over here. i tell you, it works!
mircea_popescu: but i can see how someone'd recommend him.
mircea_popescu: nono, just, i wouldn't vote for him
mircea_popescu: i could see him on the nominees list.
mircea_popescu: i guess not.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dunno, nick szabo.
kakobrekla: ok can you give me 5 possible candidates for this ? i cant think of two.
kakobrekla: given your confidence i could rob you of all your btc in that way if i gather > than you
mircea_popescu: i think it's defensible tbh.
kakobrekla: that is what i was saying
mircea_popescu: i'll just deposit moar and fuck them ?
mircea_popescu: what's even reasonable ? less than a third i guess
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm definitely supporting this but more like a matching thing.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't deposit so much as to fuck things up
mircea_popescu: i don't remember seeing such penmanship since britney spears bio
mike_c: i don't! point being that the prize would be dwarfed by the recipients already worthy rewards from winning in the marketplace.
r3wt: we do have something very cool in the works. i'm sure no one will see it coming either.
r3wt: just try to understand where i'm coming from if you can
r3wt: but i'm not saying its not my fault because it sort of all falls on me in the end