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phf: btcbase will continue running
the way it has been so far, and i will continue putting vpatches into patches at least until
there's a replacement
phf: there's no need
to znc,
the entire archive of logs is available here:
http://btcbase.org/log-raw/ with 2016-03.txt being
the last kako file.
the only outlier is
tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt which is
the dump mircea_popescu gave me of
the prehistoric logs, which i have a custom reader for.
phf: asciilifeform: i'll genesis you
the logger in
the next
two weeks. i'd rather you not waste
time on it
though.
the design predates castles, so making it multichannel might be excessive amount of work. it's idiosyncratic, a product of
the conversations from four years ago. your current approach seems a lot more solid.
mircea_popescu: "a
thirst for adventure" or how did
the golden age rpg story go. a band of misfits with a
thirst for adventure.
mircea_popescu: the point isn't whether "it works out" ;
the point is
that no old merchant from
the age of sail, successful or otherwise, would've
traded his life out for landlubbers'.
mircea_popescu: not
that i invented it, it's what rimbaud did, it's what plenty of people've already done. not usually studied in girl school for girls, but
that's entirely a diff story. and no, it doesn't usually work out.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:17
trinque: which is just utterly wtf from
the outside.
spyked: mircea_popescu, it happens
that I have a blogpost in
the works just on
that :D
mircea_popescu: they're about as dumb as
the ukrs, honestly. place's so fucked...
spyked: lulz. apparently "friends" is somewhat popular in ro nowadays,
there's marathon reruns on
tv and I see all
these chicks with brand
t-shirts on
the street... well, I'm assuming
they watch it
mircea_popescu: spyked, amusingly, at
the
time seinfeld ran a bunch of morons were remaking it. "friends" (with
that blonde dumb cunt, what's her name). it didn't work even
then
mircea_popescu: anyway. moron jew boy ended up buying a bunch of cars. in new york.
that's what he needed a billion dollars for.
spyked: I saw a couple of episodes in a weekend (and another couple of "big bang
theory") and I got
the distinct feeling of "these guys are
trying
to remake seinfeld with another cast and variations on
the ol' premise". i.e.
they're not jews in NY, but nerds in LA or something like
that
spyked: hm...
two and a half men
spyked: well, if we count
the shows
that are seinfeld rip-offs (e.g.
that charlie sheen
thing), maybe not even half.
mircea_popescu: seinfeld, meanwhile, DID get ~half of what nbc made off
that piece of utter crap.
mircea_popescu: the obnoxious part is
that
tarantino didn't get 50% of sopranos income ; nor lynch of xfiles.
though
THEY WERE OWED
mircea_popescu: whole x-files
thing was mostly attempt
to live off
THAT, much like whole "sopranos" nonsense was
trying
to live off
tarantino's perfect killer, 5 minutes of footage.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:33:06 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in inspirational quotes, "Due
to financial problems
the filming of Eraserhead was haphazard, regularly stopping and starting again."
spyked: logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926609 <-- incidentally, I started reviewing
twin peaks about a month ago. and
the part of it
that is soap opera has aged horribly, while
the part
that is "david lynch mindfuck poetry" I still find brilliant.
the man has a way of stirring frustration, I suspect he does it intentionally most of
the
time
mircea_popescu: high q multithreading is one of
the few
things cl has arguing for it
spyked: but I'm not sure
that's
the right way
to go atm
spyked: my sense so far is
that
they (initially?) designed it
to be a beast similar
to Apache, rather
than running behind it. it does multi-threading so it should be able
to handle high loads pretty well. so if, say, I snipped
the multi-threading bits out, I'd perhaps cut
the code in half.
mircea_popescu: i did say it infuriates me, which it does ; but
then again im not using it, so.
spyked: mircea_popescu, purely from
the user's point of view, it works reliably as far as I can see. and
two days ago I wrote a simple mock "comment eater" for
thetarpit and was reasonably productive. I haven't found any major flaws yet, so I'll continue working
through
the code.
mircea_popescu: what's your
take on hutchentoot so far btw ? do you like it ?
spyked: ah. yeah, not sure
there's such a
thing. as asciilifeform pointed out, cl seems
to handle string'isms better... and as mircea_popescu pointed out, cl doing
tcpisms is not much different from python
mircea_popescu: i
took it as "one
true computer lang", which is iffier.
spyked: mircea_popescu, re.
tmsr lang: could be one of
two or
three (or I dunno how many) langs, as long as
tmsr owns 'em. atm
there's no genesis for a cl compiler/interpreter (let alone e.g. networking code a la usocket, or a curl etc.), so... inb4 "fuck you spyked, I can't even compile sbcl, how do you want me
to stand up your logotron"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 01:57:33 billymg: ^ i put
together a quick POC for e2e
testing on mp-wp. i have
to sign off for
the night and will be away from my main machine
this weekend but will be checking
the logs/comments if anyone has any feedback
diana_coman: onth now I still have
to figure out where
to stand a bot
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i noticed it
too,
takes a coupla secs for a longer page.
mircea_popescu: someone can
then configure a local ~eater~ (taking, eg, bot cvs dumps) and have
the logs (of w/e chan interests
them) directly on
their mp-wp. which means -- including
the selection
thing etc.
diana_coman: at refresh of bot's log page I notice
the "snappy but visibly slower
than phf's " aspect asciilifeform mentioned
mircea_popescu: incidentally, lobbes or billymg i guess -- if either of you feel like futzing with it, having a logger bot
that spits out days formatted for mp-wp into MPWP_posts
table formatted into a category so one can just plug
that into
their blog will prolly be fantastic.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 22:20:15 lobbes: pretty cool asciilifeform. ftr
the speed at which you did
this blows me away
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:08:42 spyked: yked and #asciilifeform,
tho who knows, maybe I'll get surprised.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:06:57
trinque: do you see
this as some kind of innate item, or what
mircea_popescu: this is obviously a charicature, for one
thing
the not giving a shit works both ways, for another i'm getting old, and so following. but i suppose you get
the idea --
to borrow alf's metaphore a sackfull of lymphocites ain't getting very far in life.
mircea_popescu: i'm
the sort of guy who ~had
to
think~ school is cool, or else wouldn't have gone. as a nine year old. i'm
the sort of guy who
told his father where
to stick it. as a
teen.
there's currently a whole regiment of women literally dedicating
their life
to interfacing as much of
the world as possible so i don't start burning it down, because yes, absolutely,
the moment i'm not happy with how
things are going
there i am, jerry c
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:09:28
trinque:
this is curious,
that "a world of mp will burn down"
spyked: speaking of which, asciilifeform, could you bring snsabot in #spyked? wouldn't hurt
to have it listening
there.
spyked: yked and #asciilifeform,
tho who knows, maybe I'll get surprised.
spyked:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926574 <-- #spyked is currently a drop-in replacement for
thetarpit comments (not for long
tho, I hope) and a bot
testing ground (and possibly a bit noisy because of
that). otherwise it's defo open
to
the lordship and newbs, altho I'm not yet actively doing anything
to bring
the latter in. I expect
there's an overlap between
the
types
that'll pop up in #sp
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:06:11 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, speaking of
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926225 : hanbot is
taking
teenaged /
twentysomething females meeting
the pizdi bill ; i presume asciilifeform is
taking highly intelligent, shy & introverted males age-irrespective, math grad student prototype while diana_coman is
taking inquisitive
teenagers age irrespective and BingoBoingo latam... fema
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 17:54:51 mircea_popescu: freenode wants 1s delay between msgs, and bot seems
to
try and do
that but maybe add a 50ms buffer on
top or somethign ?
spyked: also, I guess
there's also
the fact
that despite all its problems,
there's a pile of CL code (e.g. hunchentoot, cl-irc)
that works... very similarly
to how wordpress does
the job, despite its size and other warts. maybe Ada could also find similar pieces of code for Ada, but
tbh I haven't looked... yet?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:59:01 diana_coman: and ftr I have no idea why did
the other bots go for lisp anyway, did I miss somewhere
the rationale for it?
mircea_popescu: it's
the intrinsic limit on dealmaking, and why
the glib narcissist does well
there -- very effectually defensive of
the self AND not
that much
there
to begin with. because
that's always
the best kept secret of
the well defended fortress --
there wasn't so much inside
to begin with.
mircea_popescu: you give out a little bit of yourself each
time. and eventually, down
the road, after enough dealmaking, you discover
there's nothing actually left.
this is very much
the equivalent of alf's point re "only so many lines of code in one before insanity", except for business people,
those who are
too dumb
to realise it on
their own.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re city hall : it's a collection of platitudes, like any usian "deep" / "philosophical" movie. but it's a collection of ~well chosen~ platitudes, like
the better such are, and in it incidentally pacino explains
the problem with
the dealmaking model :
trinque: because
the former naturally grows.
trinque: it makes an immediate kind of sense
that outside
the edifice of meaning you need a destructive process
trinque: this is curious,
that "a world of mp will burn down"
trinque: do you see
this as some kind of innate item, or what
trinque: because compared
to
that, it's where I
think I stand!
mp_en_viaje: 3)
the whole of it was always hanging out with
the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in
th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived
there, "the fear was palpable"
trinque: which is just utterly wtf from
the outside.
trinque: and yet
the republic is not nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: 2) i never made money, i always made power.
the money was coincidental. i never made all
the money
there was
to make or could. nor did i ever give much of a shit, i'm utterly not constructive, a world of nothing but mp will burn down.
trinque: I'm much more faces plus walls and pain
tolerance.
mp_en_viaje: i don't mind saying, but keep in mind you're doing
the equiv of asking columbus
things about finding new continents. he ~doesn't know~. irrespective of what data may suggest, he was just
there coincidentally, at right
time.
mp_en_viaje: 1) i am an utterly
TERRIBLE font of advice re business. i made oddles of money in SUCH improbable, unlikely venues and circumstances -- admittedly, regularly, multiply, repeadedly, but SO FUCKING UNLIKELY -- i dare not presume what works for me works in any meaningful sense.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, understand
the following points :
mp_en_viaje: so he sits and
thinks "oh, nobody reads my blog". which is false.
trinque: mp_en_viaje: if you were just cresting 7 fig in 2019 what would you
throw yourself into?
mp_en_viaje: this is utterly fucking false, of course.
the
telegraph doesn't get in a month
the daily readership of
trilema. but i
think
the ~pervasiveness~ of
the antiquated, and mistaken, worldview may rub off on people.
mp_en_viaje: there's
this default idea in
the general populace,
that a) somebody reads
the raped-and-left-for-dead husks of ye olde gatekeepers and
that b) it's still myspace days on internet, nobody reads "your webpage"
mp_en_viaje: while in kiev i met
this brit (at
the
time masquerading as
this local girl's sub, but w/e). as a joke, socially, i said i'm
the most pretentious guy you'll ever meet, and when he asked for sauce i
told him it says so right on my own blog. he found
this a most excellent bon mot, "oh,
that's perfect, you webpage nobody reads, not like
the
telegraph or something".
trinque: I don't for
the record know what I'd say, cognizant
that I ought
to say.
trinque: he's very well. I'll ask him if he wants
to dust off
the voice.
trinque: we're struggling up into
the money machine, and it has its costs.