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mircea_popescu: anyway,
to expound on
the whole huguenot issue : a) who expanded
the medieval notion of "universitas"
to a notion of "popular sovereignity" in
the sense of "the people" being a unit, better and different from its constituent parts, and better
than
the king at hearing god, and
to be represented by parliaments ? b) who broke with legist
theory of "tyrant = whosoever opposes
the monarch"
to introduce a
transcription of calvin's
mats: asciilifeform: is
there something wrong with
the items on alibaba?
mircea_popescu: "What follows are
three distinct parts
that can be read either independently or as a connected whole." aaand he lost me.
adlai: Joshua-I: i believe
the only person who regularly
talks about "moral [inventory]" uses
the Big Book
Joshua-I: trinque: I like
to keep
things interesting
BingoBoingo: adlai: Instructions begin with
the last paragraph on page 63 and continue
through
the end of
the chapter. Chapter 6 "Into Action" begin step 5.
mircea_popescu: adlai i suspect in us-english parlance of
the
time, "moral" simply means "abstract". ie, don't count your ballsac.
trinque: Joshua-I: it's rude
to meta people you just met !1!11
Joshua-I: the brain is capable of loosely associating and
therefore opens
this possibility up
adlai: sounds like
the same bs rai dalyo rambles about in his multiple-hundred-page copypasta about "principles" and how life is all about discovering your principles,
then he gives as an example of such a "principle" - gravitation
trinque didn't understand wtf Joshua-I is
trying
to say
Joshua-I: I'd be weary of saying how long such a
thing can last
tho
Joshua-I: so
the real and
the ends are fairly separated out from your internal satisfaction
Joshua-I: like say you recognized
the value in science / physical / sociological underpinnings but you were deranged
Joshua-I: but
the point is
this fundamental self hatred isn't necessarily limiting
Joshua-I: i.e. "putting abstract principles above
the people
themselves"
Joshua-I: like if you read
the logs, believed in mathematics (lol), and proof of work. still
the first
thing would put you at odds
Joshua-I: i'd say you only need
the first
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:43 mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above
the people
themselves" in
http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have
time
to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't
think bitcoin can work" etc etc,
there displayed is
the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of
the deliberately stupid l
shinohai: Though
there is still no known cure for redditardedness
Joshua-I: Multiple personality disorder is considered a product of its
times as it has mostly disappeared as of late
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:46 mircea_popescu: and mental disease is unchanging. just like you can have dysentery or schizophrenia in 1592 you can have it in 1952. and you do.
that's what it is.
mircea_popescu would very much like
to hear challenges
to
the above
theory, btw.
BingoBoingo: Like
the Chauchat, responsible for
the deaths of many; but in
the wrong direction.
mircea_popescu: and mental disease is unchanging. just like you can have dysentery or schizophrenia in 1592 you can have it in 1952. and you do.
that's what it is.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing idealism is acceptable, or good or
the solution or anything. but i am outright saying
that
the specific sort of anti-idealism here displayed IS, in point of fact is, a mental disease.
mircea_popescu: it's not simply "how do other people dare not be miserable", but moreover - what if
there's a little more
to it all ? exactly
the luciferic damnation, for
that matter ; and exactly
the one criticism pre ww2 jews never wanted
to
take seriously.
mircea_popescu: what's bothering
them about people who smoke ; and about people who say $random-forbidden-word ; and about people who do not care what
their "laws" say ; or about
those mean evil "incomprehensible"
terorists, what got
them all angry about
the mob and so on and so forth is
the same fundamental self-hatred.
mircea_popescu: azy as in heine's hate of
the picklehaube, or as in
the hughuenot anger at
the quaint catholic nonsense.
mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above
the people
themselves" in
http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have
time
to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't
think bitcoin can work" etc etc,
there displayed is
the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of
the deliberately stupid l
☟︎ mircea_popescu: consider
the very strict vlad
the impaler - brasov merchants opposition.
the "financial elites" proposed
the guy's administration will result in you know, economic collapse. didn't.
mircea_popescu: and contrary
to
their asstears,
the mongols built roads.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not proposing any definite
thing about
the other party. what's so great about you know, making large stores of weapons only
to have
thieves
take
them.
mircea_popescu: it's not "similar" fungus. it is precisely and genetically-identical
the same fungus.
mircea_popescu: so defined by
these
two points, we notice
that it goes exactly
through, not "very close" but EXACTLY
THROUGH eg heine's "Nur fürcht ich, wenn ein Gewitter entsteht, zieht leicht so eine Spitze herab auf euer romantisches Haupt des Himmels modernste Blitze!"
mircea_popescu: other end was very much "trump meets angry iraq war veterans,
they decide
to mass rape
the nytimes & friends."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it isn't "of
the day". it's
the one fungus.
mircea_popescu: they're both equally serious - which is
to say as serious as
they can be which isn't much.
mircea_popescu: they even had
the lulzy "modern science"
thing, EXACTLY like
the current shitheads. and by exactly i mean literal identity, same words same structures.
mircea_popescu: never you mind what similarities
tyou can see. point me a difference.
mircea_popescu: 10% at
the
time, yes ? aspirational like exactly
the "i am going
to ny
to be a writer just like carrie bradshaw" jew of
today.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, seriously, in
terms of individuals. how were
the libertards of
then not
the huguenots of now.
mircea_popescu: (note, as historical amusement,
that
the last
time "modern democracy" libertards were massacred was
the result of collusion between military and populist leadership - which apparently is so burnished into
their collective memory as
to make
that arrangement
the #1 bad.)
mircea_popescu: so model
this supposed difference for me, between
today's jew and 1500s hughuenot.
mircea_popescu: find me a point of divergence. even fucking global warming was
there, in 1572.
mircea_popescu: they sprang out of
the EXACT
thing hillary sprang out of : a) individual problems are a collective concern ; b) "we" are all equally dignified and entitled ; c) you name it
mircea_popescu: so you don't see how early protestants map
to modern jewry ? rly ?
mircea_popescu: funny what
the wisdom age brings does
to one's childish notions.
mircea_popescu: and i deeply regret any of
the fucking libertards escaped.
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was scratching my head uncomprehendingly at
the hughuenot massacre.
today i'm rather inclined
to
thing st barhtolomew may be
the
true and proper republican holiday.
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was appalled at
the atrocity of
the original most serene republic sacking constantinople. now i am very much remiss
they left anyone alive or any one
thing standing, should have merv'd
the fucking place.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you don't even have
to look at it. just
the fact
that
the cockroaches exist, somewhere nearby, will fuck up your shit and sour
the milk in your fridge.
mircea_popescu: convenience culture, however defined as consumerism, modern democracy, us-liberalism, whatever is
the closest approximation in nature of
that brain-breaking-image sf concept.
mircea_popescu: take
the web.
there's nothing fundamental about html or
the upstream concepts
that require it
to become a pile of shit. but
the simple proximity of aol ENSURE, pointedly necessitate and absolutely guarantee, it WILL be a pile of shit. no matter ANYTHING else.
mircea_popescu: it LOOKS like a mountain, or a hill or a weir, but it is a
touched mountain, hill or weir. and if you eat from
there - you will be dumb.
mircea_popescu: the simple existence of an empire of convenience physically alters
the geography, so
that no one, even people unrelated
to
the original idiots, can never amount
to anything in
that physical space.
mircea_popescu: because paleologoi polluted
the square - not with nuclear waste, which resolves in a century, but with cultural waste, which doesn't resolve in millenium+
mircea_popescu: and
the fact
that
the byzantines were nearby is inescapable ; you can build any odessa you want on
that
tile - it will be a shithole
mircea_popescu: it's MUCH worse
than nuclear waste. chernobyl is perfectly fine
today ; odessa will possibly never be.
mircea_popescu: hardly. subcultures
that embrace comfort do lasting damage
to
the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now -
the aztecs lived
there. which is why and how ukraina and
the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the minoans were
the size of a cat's piss.
mircea_popescu: it is certainly
the case
that eastern europe / middle east is a shithole now because instead of razing byzantium in 500,
they waited
till 1500.