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mjr_: i am trying to talk about the BASIC definitions
mjr_: yes i know all this, and it doesn't change the fundamental everyday reality
mjr_: in which case i would like to borrow as much as i can from you
mjr_: unless you are using that word in a completely differnt way than i think
mjr_: nice, i'm glad you read "debt: the first 5000 years" but that is not actually the case
cerelenius: mjr: yea i agree its not redeemable, its like a 0day tbill
mjr_: so i have a debt that means you have to pay me other dollars
mjr_: in other words i can REDEEM it
mjr_: a debt means that i am OWED something
mjr_: where can i redeem this debt instrument?
mjr_: i have dollars
davout: cerelenius: well, enjoy your contracts, i'll enjoy my money
ozbot: M.I.A. - "Bad Girls" (Official Video) - YouTube
mjr_: and i had a pb and j
cerelenius: which i cant sell for 6months
cerelenius: say im a farmer and i need capital to grow my crop
greenspan_fan: and yet, I am not convinced that charging interest is bad. If you want me to loan you something, then you should compensate for my not having it while you use it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll bbl.
cerelenius: i meant lending them
mod6: fountainhead was ok. i think 'we the living' was better if you must.
Bugpowder: Also I'm too tired to figure out how to recurse this nicely.
Bugpowder: I got some nice cells tho
Bugpowder: No I am too busy doing recordings
greenspan_fan: and I have some bad news about physics, too
mircea_popescu: o wait i think i must have mixed up my stereotype cards
mircea_popescu: i think his wife is jewish
Vexual: kakobrekla, how much do i owe on the dukebox?
mircea_popescu: no i know
davout: i'm not even joking
mircea_popescu: davout o yes i see, alternative implementations leads to bugs.
mircea_popescu: jurov what i don't understand is... why are all those black guys dressed like if they were white ?
mod6: speaking of dev, i thought the most recent list of defects was pretty spot on. account naming issues, et. al.
cerelenius: i never said anything racist
greenspan_fan: I think he's just trying to be cool, because racism is controversial
mircea_popescu: obviously i'll be trying to lock any doors for mr v that i can. race against time.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i never had a gox account.
cerelenius: toffoo no i dont think so
Duffer1: that's what i'm saying cere
Duffer1: i'd say it's likely true, the only question is the identity of the thieves
davout: lol, don't see me as french, i'm half dutch, half nigerian
davout: i didn't even think about using x.eur's
davout: nah, i said BC's vwap, which you understood as x.eur's vwap
mircea_popescu: davout i recall you proposing that and me pointing out it cant happen because of backfeed.
davout: not even the implied spot i guess, the actual spot
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder kinda why i'm not saying anything.
davout: i was thinking about when you said using implied spot for futures was a bad idea
mircea_popescu: i think most are supybot
davout: mebbe other that i forget/don't know about
davout: i hope my 300 EUR/BTC bid gets to feel the pain too
mircea_popescu: i got news for you : those people are gay and looking.
nubbins`: i face backwards if i'm the first person to get in
nubbins`: i think it was a bit tongue in cheek
nubbins`: i lel'd
ninjashogun: guys I've received some suggestions to "lurk" and "read logs" here, which I wouldn't really have time to do. It was nice meeting you all though and I may be back as the project progresses. Overall I don't think I will be spending a ton of time building WoT, advisors, etc - as I have real-world references for the moment that I would expect anyone to consutl.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, when you said above that this channel was worth "over $1b" I didn't takei t seriously as if it has like 500 regulars then just a couple of people worth $50M - or a single Internet billionaire who drops in sometimes - would account for that
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun i think it just looks for the <title> element in html
mircea_popescu: what have i been reading the wrong books ?
ninjashogun: sorry I meant to quote "Spritz – read 500 words per minute without any training"
lnovy: ok, I don't get it :)
lnovy: i'd swap to that :)
benkay: i once heard copumpkin use a closure to turn an Mac][ into a Genera
mircea_popescu: benkay fwiw, i heard copumpkin once used a lambda function to turn a iphone into an ipad
lnovy: I have 1920x1080 + 1280x1024... but only a 4 gigs of ram...
lnovy: mircea_popescu: 4096x4096... but I guess FF is just crap at those...
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun no, i just tell people what to do.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I guess you just wrote the beautiful front-end right :)
mircea_popescu: i didn't write it at all, and tech details haven't really been released.
Namworld: I had money on gox for convenience, I must admit.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I checked out mpex exchange
mircea_popescu: i still dunno why they've never been seriously implemented.
mircea_popescu: antephialtic i'd rather see Cramer-Shoup myself.
joecool: mircea_popescu: again i don't use them either, the lack of support though isn't from waryness, it's from the number of old gnupg clients in the wild
Namworld: What the hell is going on? I leave for a few hours and the whole Bitcoin world goes to ashes?
benkay: i'm not even a computer science person
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: I agree, DSA/ECDSA is a kludge. Schnorr signatures are much better
joecool: i'm using 4096-bit RSA for the forseeable future, but ecdsa seems attractive if i can write a javacard implementation to work on my yubikey neo
davout: antephialtic: i think it's gpg2 that does
antephialtic: wait it does? I'm running osx with gpg from homebrew and it doesn't have ecdsa as an option
mircea_popescu: antephialtic localbitcoins is kinda-that i thought
davout: oh nice, i didn't the dip
mircea_popescu: what i hear is they moved something like 10k armored vehicles so far today.
benkay: in other news, i'm talking about lisp at the Portland Python night this month. if there are any Portlanders listening, you should come and NOT TALK ABOUT BITCOIN FFS.
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan i take it your wife doesn't ask, just takes ? :D
ninjashogun: greenspan_fan, I haven't asked you for money :)
mircea_popescu: i bet the situation re qol / cost is different there.
greenspan_fan: benkay I've just never had anyone ask me for money and it turn out well, so I am holding out hope for ninjashogun
benkay: unlike the vcs, i suppose
mircea_popescu: my head goes "yes, but maybe it goes up locally ?" but how would i know.
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: Nope, it sounds like a good idea, but I don't think it will really work. the reason the pregnancy ones work is the hormone level goes up >1000x. MMPs are not that unregulated, maybe 2-3x by volume? Need to read the paper but I imagine the ROC curve is pretty ugly.
mircea_popescu: at the rate we're going i'll prolly publish the bundle in a coupla weeks.
greenspan_fan: personally, I think it would be cool to invest in a start up, but I'm kinda averse to giving cash to pseudonyms in irc who aren't incorporated, have no references, no demos
mircea_popescu: i'm dead serious.
ninjashogun: so out of a $50K investment, probably a few hundred would go to server costs and $47K would sit in the bank for six months. while we build it (Though I know that is not what investors like to hear)
mircea_popescu: when the sec wanted to talk to me i forced them to come here.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2014/a-paper-diagnostic-for-cancer-0224.html i imagine you saw that already ?
ninjashogun: So what I was tihnking is that this isn't a real 'forum' (in that most IRC channels are basically just trolls etc) and that I would just escalate to another form of contact (skype etc) and be in touch while it gets rolled out
mircea_popescu: no, see, unless you can name an advisor and i can go
ninjashogun: again, this is the idea that caused this startup to be created this week. (I did consult with advisors the last week or two about it.)
ninjashogun: Duffer1 I can PM you the specific graph application (in gerneral terms)
mircea_popescu: i get that this doesn't help you any in the sense of getting you to do what you want to do