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mircea_popescu: seems evident the correct solution is to get that proper lisp bootstrap i was discussing with phf and then re-write emacs in it.
mircea_popescu: "The number of people aboard who can matter-of-factly hack the Emacs internals on the C level is consistently going down, and is already so small they can be counted on one hand. We must make Emacs depend less on people from this small and diminishing group, if we want the development pace increased or even kept at its current level." << this is a very solid point.
asciilifeform: the latter is a native binary for whatever box the thing is running on.
asciilifeform: emacs, in case anyone forgot, is made of 2 pieces - a megatonne bucked of crud written in 1970-era shitlisp, and an interpreter (yes) thereof
mircea_popescu: it also makes 0 sense for it to be a c piece of code, but that's a discussion for another time
mircea_popescu: well, from a system design perspective. it makes 0 sense for emacs to actually save c machine state.
mircea_popescu: actually from what i can grok from that piece, the proposed solution (dump unexec, move on to saving elisp stack) is actually an improv meent
asciilifeform: instead of 'find the poetterings and impale'
asciilifeform: linked piece is lulzy on account of the idiot 'solution' picked on the victim end, 'That solution comes in the form of the "portable dumper" patch from Daniel Colascione. This patch is not small; it adds over 4,500 lines of code to Emacs and it is not yet complete...'
mircea_popescu: o hey, so in the end vi wins ?
asciilifeform: as is the subj, actually, shitgnomes are pretty close to breaking emacs
mircea_popescu: o hey, trilema payments for "linux news" ?
mircea_popescu: i think jurov has it.
asciilifeform: this is really in re the old 'bitcoin at the nsa' thread but i've misplaced the date.
asciilifeform: ( 'stalin's' algorithm of guarding gold, i.e. 'if it is lost, shoot everyone who might have sold the coordinates of the convoy' doesn't necessarily work either, because somewhere high enough in the chain there is usually someone who is 1) unshootable + 2) knows the coords )
asciilifeform: ( tastes great with the old 'costs of guarding gold' and 'misalignment of incentives of guard and master' threads )
asciilifeform: 'Watch Man Effortlessly Grab Bucket of Gold Worth $1.6M From Open Truck'
asciilifeform: i wouldn't put it past the imbeciles to try to split the net via node diddling alone.
asciilifeform: jurov: i must admit that it has been eons since i set up a prb, and the last one i tested was iirc 0.8.something (which worked with trb)
jurov: asciilifeform: iirc anything past 0.10.x won't speak with trb
asciilifeform: please consider reading the chan logs, yalehasaquestion .
yalehasaquestion: well thanks gents
trinque is humoring, yet n00b must be encouraged to start at the beginning
asciilifeform: by the usual suspects.
asciilifeform: it is (the umpteenth) attempt to break bitcoin.
asciilifeform: trinque: humour the n00b
yalehasaquestion: am I correct that segwit will be backwards compatible?
asciilifeform: yalehasaquestion: trb ( therealbitcoin.org ) is the ~actual~ bitcoin client. approximately as-it-was in 2012, with minor cleanups.
trinque: yalehasaquestion: various creatures of ill repute have been bolting all kinds of insane shit to the codebase formerly known as bitcoin for years now
asciilifeform: and using the search box.
asciilifeform: yalehasaquestion ^ you will get the best mileage from reading the chan logs
asciilifeform: it may be the case that 'core 0.13.1' (which is an imposter pseudo-bitcoin client, see below) refuses to speak with trb.
yalehasaquestion: I haven't seen enough to really understand
yalehasaquestion: I am trying to understand your views on segwit
shinohai: Best way to learn is to go to http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html and stand up your own trb node.
yalehasaquestion: and it is your node -- I mean, I could be doing this wrong :)
shinohai was about to ask the same question.
asciilifeform: yalehasaquestion: i'll check the logs for your node, brb
yalehasaquestion: I am interested in understanding what that is, however I'm not much of an expert on such things
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wFTLy/?raw=true
asciilifeform: you aren't on the banhammer list
yalehasaquestion: would it have something to do with the fact that I'm running core 0.13.1?
asciilifeform: stay tuned
asciilifeform: yalehasaquestion: that's my node. where are you connecting from.
yalehasaquestion: hey, I'd like to know, I've been running a listening node, and I added 46.166.165.30 as a peer -- but I don't look like I'm connected to it
mod6: jurov: thanks for pushing that one through and taking care of mailman.
shinohai: I've used --data-raw to good effect and didn't get newlines stripped
asciilifeform: curl 7.30.0 really does seem to munge newlines unless 'binary' mode.
mircea_popescu: well,we had this thread (iirc you brought it up), came out it was fault of machine.
mircea_popescu: likely the fault of machine
asciilifeform: cat clearsigned_thing.txt | curl -H "Content-type: text/plain" --data-binary @- http://machine
asciilifeform: cat clearsigned_thing.txt | curl -H "Content-type: text/plain" --d @- http://machine
asciilifeform was convinced that we had this thread
mircea_popescu: all this to see george monbiot try his best to sell the "our fake citizens groups are for real and everything else is fake" line.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile according to reddit, theguardian.com is a respectable source and qntra.net is the spamsite. because totally.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the idiots at the guardian made a begging banner which has an X that is not connected to anything, just drawn on the banner itself.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why. shipping for isntance takes 3mo + and apparently they prefer it that way.
jurov: such slow process is anathema to anything industrial
jurov: i have read that tobacco must be dried slowly (like, a month) otherwise it retains more sugar which burns nastily
asciilifeform: tobacco, like 'generic pharma', is 'unamerican', can't sell generic leaf that grows on half planet, must sell INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!11111
mircea_popescu: re water pipe - the liquid is infrequently changed, certainly not often enough to maintain co2 solvency
mircea_popescu: ANYTHING but that
mircea_popescu: anything but "go back to pure tobacco" huh.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE6440B35451CC5447607C04C7DEA4AB3D37F134168ABC3ABE6B9361A5F581DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1386...2457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.234.129.246 (ssh-rsa key from 207.234.129.246 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (207-234-129-246.ptr.primarydns.com. US FL)
asciilifeform also not an expert, but used to work with a d00d who was a serious aficionado
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha, linked item is different, it seems to still have fuel/fire in it
asciilifeform: same thing as in asthmatic inhaler device.
BingoBoingo: jurov: the linked eclipse thing is cigarette shaped fiberglass reinforced paper tube tipped with charcoal. Is a lulzy thing best not stuck in mouth.
asciilifeform: jurov: the lulzy bit is that the 'heated tobacco' thing was a 1970s (and possibly prior) crackpottery
jurov: so, it all looks to me one part of tobacco industry FUDdind an other one
jurov: i'd prefer that all way than burning sugar, menthol and zillion other additives they put to classical cigs
jurov: ever seen water pipe? it uses charcoal puck, too. and CO isn't very well absorbed by water (unlike CO2)
BingoBoingo: Last major incarnation of this was stick full of tobacco where small charcoal disk burned for maximum carbon monoxide exposure
jurov: though they do make smoke, but smells good, unlike classical cigs
jurov: nope, e-cigs are a thing here
asciilifeform: 'The company's IQOS smokeless cigarette, which is already on sale in over a dozen markets including Japan, Switzerland and Italy, heats tobacco enough to produce a vapor without burning it. The company believes that makes it much less harmful than cigarettes.' << i thought this died in 1970s..?
asciilifeform: 'Philip Morris CEO looks towards phasing out cigarettes: BBC' << lel
mircea_popescu: ahahah warren called mnuchin the forrest gump of the financial crisis.
mircea_popescu: (dec 4th - they're even advertising it here.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, should be interesting if italy votes to exit.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo prolly also link the log.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/opec-agrees-to-cut-output/ << Qntra - OPEC Agrees To Cut Output
mircea_popescu: so it is vaguely possible hillary&friends actually have some sarin in say new york subway, not just at the bases of their jenissary in syria.
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly fair : the dems tried to set up bush the bomb in exactly the same manner in 2000 ; and then the democrat-alligned osama set bush the bomb fo reals.
mircea_popescu: the odds of the syrian situation blowing up into actual war ru+tk vs us+iran (but without nato) are actually non-trivial by now.
mircea_popescu: whatever his plans, desires, choices whatever, it seems absolutely certain trump will have a major depression on his hands ; to the tune of "70% of this country's wealth evaporated overnight ; wut do ?!?!"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not just inflation. yields are higher and growing rapidly ; the dollar is strengthening and stocks are going up. this is the classical desperation run-up to black tuesday.
mircea_popescu: srsly, the world is now a us-iran partnership trying to stand up to a russian-turkey alliance while a very horny europe is drooling cunt juice on one side and a rather geeky china is holding its distance on the other side.
mircea_popescu: (iran, the us's only apparently remaining ally in the world, decided not to participate)
mircea_popescu: basically now that obama's out, the saudis finally agreed to cut the flood ; oil jumped like 10% after they announced.
mircea_popescu: and in other news us T bonds are getting massacred.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Seriously not a single attempt to read any of the linked content to develop context on the venue << i dunno dood, "the serene republic of somalia" etc. they be trynna.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE6440B35451CC5447607C04C7DEA4AB3D37F134168ABC3ABE6B9361A5F581DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1585...2717 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.234.129.246 (ssh-rsa key from 207.234.129.246 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (207-234-129-246.ptr.primarydns.com. US FL)
mircea_popescu: lol the butthurt re that qntra is pretty good.
mircea_popescu: mailman rose up in arms against the very list it was supposed to return ?!
jurov: mod6: looks like mailman crashed, after restarting it delivered fine. Last thing logged was:
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the best part of light satire is trolling the people who in their hearts want to believe with us but can't because idiot redditards.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~ later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rC2tS/?raw=true