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phf: but i was going to say, amusingly enough the whole "cyberpunk/cypherpunk/whatever" thing came from san francisco, and that's what all the jwzs grew up with. "mondo" which later became "boing boing" (and had a blog with same name in the early 2000s) http://theendofbeing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/defd4d784f2e7c1978d81b99904c7869_large.jpg http://sangbleumagazine.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Mondo-1.jpg
phf: i remember taking linear algebra course in u.s. college, sort of mildly excited "finally learn this shit proper!" just to realize that my level of knowledge by then was grad research level. stopped showing up half way through, just taking tests..
asciilifeform: (from 'demo scene' to 'spamola scene')
mircea_popescu: cuz kids want to get in.
asciilifeform: imho the interesting question is why it always seems to turn from one into the other
mircea_popescu: the common man is here to be cut up and the meat fried, not running fucking "democracies" and making "choices" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: at one point everything worth the mention worked like this ; it being the only way things can work.
asciilifeform: at one point virii artists etc. also worked like this
mircea_popescu: "Keep in mind we do all this, because we can and because we like the thrilling excitement of winning over the other competing groups. We absolutely don't do all these releases, to please the general user that rather want to spend their cash on updating to the latest hardware, and see's the scene releases as a source to play all these games for free." << all the way down to despising the consumer / i just want to jwz.
phf: i might've seen that, but i don't think i saw it until after i moved to u.s.
asciilifeform: (which is how you could USE all 64k , you could switch off the rom on the c64)
asciilifeform: nothing was wasted, one of the pins controlled ultra-cheap tape deck i/o, the rest - banked addr space
mircea_popescu: ah right you are, the 64 was the mos
phf: i mean all the tools were ports from amiga. "nah, you don't use photoshop, here's this thing that we ported from amiga"
asciilifeform: commodore (with the exception of the weirdo dual-cpu variant of the '128', and an expander cartridge for 64 ) -- never sold a z80
mircea_popescu: back when /me still had a lot of faith in humanity, /me still didn't give a rat's ass about the us.
asciilifeform watched the 'demos', but had nfi where they came from and how they were made.
mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, i'd say the scene was the early republic, not derpy "cyberpunks/cypherpuns/whatever"
phf: (in the 90s)
phf: true, i was a small child then, but my first exposure to gatherings were through demoscene
mircea_popescu: i'd say the release groups being the first and to date the best example of async teams solving problems that benefit from face to face.
mircea_popescu: the 0day scene did these in the 80s
mircea_popescu: no, that's a gathering.
phf: hackathon is a period of time for exclusively remote teams to get together and work on some problems that benefit from face to face, or more generally a period of uninterrupted work done by an asynchronous team. that's the original and the only meaning in the spirit of "consult the dictionary"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine what they mean by hackathon is one of those pbs donation drives. except instead of girls at phones now they have boys at keyboards.
asciilifeform: for some reason i always picture it as one of those basque wood-chopping competitions
mircea_popescu: they're looking to farm trust. ANYTHING but the fucking obvious - stop supporting socialism already!
asciilifeform to this very day has nfi what precisely is a 'hackathon'
mircea_popescu: o look, they "hosted a hackathon"
asciilifeform: was in today's log..
mircea_popescu: Sally Lehrman, founder of the Trust Project - an organisation set up to re-establish trust in mainstream media - told the BBC: "We don't know enough yet to know how it affected the election but we do know that fake news travels rapidly and it can change the conversation, not just by misinforming people but by focusing attention on something that may not be the issue. It is a real danger to democracy."
asciilifeform: what obvious, wreckerz!11111 listening to voice of ame^H^H^Hrt on illicitly modified radios in kitchens
mircea_popescu: the very evident "new york times, washington / huffington post etc do not produce strings worth more per megabyte than any other markov process" is elided in favour of "we shall label this failure of ours in terms of an external phenomenon and posture really convincingly about it". really, is it "being investigated" ? who the fuck is the agent in that agentless phrase and who the fuck's gonna supply the army.
mircea_popescu: somehow the OBVIOUS inference isn't drawn from this.
mircea_popescu: "A report from BuzzFeed found that, in the final three months of the US presidential campaign, the top-performing fake election news stories on Facebook generated more engagement than the top stories from major news outlets such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Huffington Post, NBC News and others." <<->> http://trilema.com/2016/the-war-with-the-press/
asciilifeform: though it may be for theatrical effect, considering subj
mircea_popescu: wtf is with the whiny beseeching voice omfg.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-november-2016-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), November 2016 Statement
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'suckless' folx , afaik, came the closest
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: iirc this was in the l0gz a few days ago
mircea_popescu: and this includes "cyberpunks" and whatever else - they still thought in terms of "the country" and bartlesian "in the end '''real''' life aka socialism prevails"
mircea_popescu: before the republic nobody seriously contemplated, let alone put resources towards, most sane ends and goals.
asciilifeform: i still wonder how come nobody, afaik, ever even once sold rng where the debiaser and analogue halves came apart.
mircea_popescu: get the enemy incentives correctly alligned.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it - maybe i should do exactly that.
asciilifeform: to take example, if mircea_popescu generates keys using cuntmusculature noise, using dildonic myographs, this is bulletproof UNTIL enemy finds out and sends specially-trained pulsator gurls to long-game infiltrate harem etc.
asciilifeform: the difficulty comes when you wish to make one that remains cryptologically acceptable when it becomes a mass-produced and published product.
asciilifeform: though i may have explained this before, long ago in the l0gz, it is NOT difficult to make a quite acceptable trng
mircea_popescu: aha. hence my comment re thunderstorms and truth-symmetrical.
asciilifeform: a quite separate problem, and anyone who ACTUALLY owns the rtlsdr unit knows of it, is the usb
asciilifeform: nor is it quite known wtf is inside the chip
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that the thing hangs on a megatonne of open Sores shitware that is >trb-sized
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is not that you cannot turn a radio-in-faraday-cage into a baroque version of FUCKGOATS
mircea_popescu: i suppose getting two tuned to the same frequency and then debiasing them together may result in something (precisely because taking advantage of n in that horrible snr). otherwise with a single item... tough.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/829D7AF9CA36744B0FA7458BD2E8394CC37B685C25AF7AEC8D0DB44D507482A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1535...4373 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.203.206.158 (ssh-rsa key from 89.203.206.158 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-89-203-206-158.ktkadan.cz. CZ)
asciilifeform: world's cheapest 40MHz-2GHz receiver (with terrible snr, but what can you do)
asciilifeform: it was ultra-popular at one time, and remains useful 'poor man's sigint' tool
mircea_popescu: if any kind of divinity existed this sort of truth-symmetrical idiocy would provoke thunderstorms.
asciilifeform: i have that radio
mircea_popescu: did you see the guy who had a "for free just as good version" consisting of buying a software radio thing (for slightly more than what FUCKGOATS costs) and you know, listening to man made "entropy"
mircea_popescu: this ain't about to change.
mircea_popescu: stupid is on stupid train to stupid.
asciilifeform: if this is so (and i'll take mircea_popescu's intel for its word) they are on the american train to nowhere, then.
mircea_popescu: worse situation than sf. what exactly wasn't exported ?
mircea_popescu: and the chinese can't afford to get married because bitch wants place to spawn and place to spawn within icbm distance of anything worth one's time cost 1mn+ ie five lifetimes.
mircea_popescu: who are these syrians / chinese / whatevers things belong to.
asciilifeform: 'the americans' are no moar a civilization, to whom a continent can belong, than 'the romans' are today.
mircea_popescu: syrian "color revolution" also fails. does syria belong to "the syrians" ?
asciilifeform: it belongs to the earthworms.
mircea_popescu: does the us "belong to americans" ?
asciilifeform: i dun have a good eye inside cn. but from outside it would appear that it still belongs to the chinese, and is resistant to twitterocratization
mircea_popescu: not like they're sitting around wearing kimonos and laughing at the idiocy of dicking around with a small plastic lavalamp.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider you just said pnoje above. this settles the point.
mircea_popescu: stupid naturally herds together, and to very much the same degree. there isn't anything you can do about it, and ftr the shepherd FOLLOWS the herd, doesn't lead it. he may imagine he leads it, if it makes him feel better about living in the middle of nowhere among a pile of animal dung, but whatevers.
asciilifeform: consider the pathetic failure of the hk 'colour revolution'.
mircea_popescu: i don't perceive this.
asciilifeform: well judge for yourself -- usg 'demoocracy'-spreading via twatter/arsebook/etc was successfully zapped. and no, not merely via 'great wall', but it was 'part of the balanced diet' of how.
mircea_popescu: everything works "on the target audience", especially if that's defined so as to make it seem to work. in which vein see also http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/#selection-91.0-111.1
asciilifeform: that is to say, 'casual user' cattle browsing 'the news' on their pnojes while waiting for the train.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 14:32 mircea_popescu: apparently the fact that it never worked worth a shit doesn't deter anyone. bureaucrats are not just stupid - but committed to stay that way.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576270 << imho this thread is worth expanding -- i remain unconvinced that chinese great firewall 'never worked'. it -- works, on the target audience. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and if anyone else notices an oddity of this kind, please ping asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: ty for the eagle eye, thestringpuller .
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: fxd, when their cloudtron IP addresses change, must me manually updated in their firewall << ah, thanks jurov!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/420578B02866959FA7F8E8C36B827E824A0B9CF6EFDFA6FD1E85669A01980BB8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1430...1099 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.17.239.6 (ssh-rsa key from 46.17.239.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (46.17.239.6.liquidtelecom.net. GB)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7D71650BD79BBD83129590245BD93C5B90619E785ED717D688FCFB9FAFD50818 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1425...1713 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.125.180.127 (ssh-rsa key from 94.125.180.127 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.vitorla.com. HU)
asciilifeform: will fix, brb, tea.
mircea_popescu: not a very flattering eggog at that.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: if you submit non-GPG it give you pretty error. again not that it matters...just a thing.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: that's a default eggog
thestringpuller: Not that it does anything but no error when submitting blank form >> http://i.imgur.com/3mXz6CR.png
mircea_popescu: trinque here's a strategic point for your consideration : eulora will move to a rsa auth model sometime next year. this means the client generates itself a key, and talks to the server. i don't want to create a special deedbot for eulora, and so, how do we best interoperate them so that i have rate and deeds in-game ? (ideally the wot visualisations and other such beauty also) ☟︎
asciilifeform: afaik there is not a third
mircea_popescu: apparently the fact that it never worked worth a shit doesn't deter anyone. bureaucrats are not just stupid - but committed to stay that way. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: recall the 90s when all the bitching was on about china's firewall ?
asciilifeform: will be a lul to watch.
asciilifeform: latest word is that a list of sov^H^H^Hru 'stooges' is in the works, and who knows, isp filter
asciilifeform: oh noez, not the tritler wh!111 cnn, nyt !!
mircea_popescu: "i and other open source contributors" sez mr. sieradski. open source is starting to be quite shameful an association by now.
mircea_popescu: "thios website is considered a questionable source" being the giveaway. i suppose the idea is thetimes.whitehouse.gov is unquestionable ?