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asciilifeform: this is indeed nogood, will have to find why
diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: my tape has no space either
diana_coman goes to look in raw
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-20 15:36:00 diana_coman;is: looking if shrysr is still breathing or totally shocked.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as I'm still nitpicking the log, was it expecting some space re * and action as this doesn't seem quite ok: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-20#999264 ?
asciilifeform: keep in mind, this is ~ancient~ tech, i can connect to e.g. 'emule' net (somehow alive for 20y!!) and put in hash and get e.g. copy of DERIVE.EXE, same one i used in '96
asciilifeform: ( and, ideally, w/out tcpism )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, word. the whole thing dovetails into another angle of whole gns thing indeed.
asciilifeform: atm we're doing quite a bit of hand-cranked mirrorism for this. but ultimately would make moar sense to have mechanism where gns(....hash....) spits out ~always~ e.g. diana_coman's log tape, or logotron.vpatch, or whatnot, for so long as can reach ~any~ tmsr machine
mp_en_viaje: but i expect that'll be permanent.
mp_en_viaje: there's actually a shortage of intelligent people who aren't also correspondingly dumb to balance it out.
diana_coman: I suspect so; there's a shortage of building blocks, not as much of what to do with them
asciilifeform: prolly would make moar sense to discuss 1nce we have luby/gossipd/etc
asciilifeform: incidentally this thread opens up ancient q, of whether it'd make sense to bake a 'tmsr distributed storage' item
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i've been fucking fed up for year+ w/ having to beg people to 'pleez reset yer logger' etc
asciilifeform: and with raw export knob i expect it will be relatively painless to bake 'dumb' mirrors ( Troo mirror imho really oughta have own bot !! )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: barbarous or not, it's the only logger I have logging #ossasepia, you know?
asciilifeform: it's still, i dare say, a quite barbarous logger. ( in coupla wks i expect we'll find out whether in fact asciilifeform cracked the riddle of fleanode socket barf, incidentally ) but imho beats shit out of 'maybe, we have loggers? on warm weather days?'
diana_coman: np; thank you for the logger!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty for the awk
diana_coman: heh, it was...cathartic like that, awk-one-liner-does-the-job after ps-ton-does-nothing :))
diana_coman: the 998966 above is lazy-hardcoded, calc based on asciilifeform's first id and the total lines in my log (i.e. so that the ids match perfectly *before* his log)
diana_coman: worth noting that the month was at least numerical rather than "jul" and all that
diana_coman: ftr, here's my quick'n'dirty awk that did the trick: awk '/Day changed/ {Month=$5; Day=$6; Year=$7;}! /-|<--|>/ {count++; sep=";"; w= Year " " Month " " Day " " $1 " " $2 " 00"; if ($3 == "*") {pp=$3 sep $4; $4=""; n=5;} else {pp=$3; n=4;}; $1=""; $2=""; $3=""; print count+998966 sep mktime(w) sep pp sep substr($0,n);}' ☟︎
diana_coman: onth http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-07 has the link?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: there's no link for next day on the imported bits (or uhm, can't quite tell where/why?) ; e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-16 has no link although there is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-17 ?
mp_en_viaje: "oh but mp, you bash via screen" yes ? "for olympiad, bash via trepanation" how about you bash your mother via anal hooks instead.
asciilifeform: tryin' to picture why someone would attempt nontrivial proggy in 'bash'. 1 traditional reason is that yer writing a worm.
mp_en_viaje: so then wtf are we talking about!
asciilifeform has buncha scripts from yrs ago that resemble this
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i suppose for 'olympiad' could attempt 'irc client in bash' via 'telnet' rather than netcat
mp_en_viaje: imo anyone who attempts to write bash irc bot other than netcat frontend either has nfi what the internet is and therefore never found netcat or has nfi what bash is and therefore doesn't understand why you don't do anything ~in~ it.
asciilifeform: ( edison, infamously, in his last yrs, was convinced that furniture from... ferrocement, is Teh Fyootoor )
mp_en_viaje: this is the true bashness of bash.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4bg2L/?raw=true << there, netcat frontend, loads no blobs.
asciilifeform: there's this endless parade of 'this is brainfuck in intercal in microshit-buildscript' etc
asciilifeform tried, while schoolboy, to write 'B' compiler in awk...
mp_en_viaje: why the fuck are socialists such liars, anyway ?
mp_en_viaje: in typical scam hub fashion a) calls perl b) piles of .jar
mp_en_viaje: https://github.com/Newbrict/bash-irc-bot/blob/master/bot.sh << turns out github has something that pretends to this
mp_en_viaje: nothing wrong with that.
asciilifeform still, incidentally, waiting for report from anyone re whether asciilifeform's logotron in fact worx somewhere other than where-written...
asciilifeform historically found that any bashism that attempts a nontrivial stateful thing, in practice breaks teeth against nonstandard platformisms ('hey grep dun eat -blah on linux circa 2003' etc) and ends up working only where written
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:32:19 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926566 << "After pressing you will need to run npm install from the project directory in order to pull down just under 100mb of depshits in order for this to work." top keks. left you a comment, too.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, as a factual matter, all the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926726 couldjust as well been one-liners, for a combioned weight of 100kb rather than 100mb
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if in fit of pique you write bash logbot, i promise to read
mp_en_viaje: in practice, the only difference is-- longer. 1-500 char bash one liners just as expressive, powerful, comprehensible/maintainable as 1-5k loc python chunks.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: at one time asciilifeform wrote sometimes stateful multi-page proggies in bash. but does not post these, it was war crime
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If Honda Jet is not designed for hallucinated consumer market, why does it give the pilot "infotainment system", the marketing text is clearly targeted to pete_dushenski and not "Here is small jet for ad-hoc coverage of unpopular routes"
mp_en_viaje: i am personally very fond of the bash one liner. imo it is sheer bash-illiteracy that makes all sorts of crapolade like python even appear "useful"
asciilifeform: atm timestamp is only useful to group into days.
mp_en_viaje: wowza, someone else adding bash oneliners to log, ftw!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i found that stock znc also stores only hour/min. and the historic timestamps being what they are, they are imho of rather questionable use.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: recall mao's 'airplane is paper tiger, soldier can't surrender to it'
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the converter is awk one-liner but my logs were plain irssi (and the annoying bit was re time because hour:min only + day change only); still, if you think it may be of use, I'll post it, sure
BingoBoingo: Well, the thing is how they use the branding. Putting the Honda brand on it means mass market in the way VW meant mass market. Now here we are a century into powered flight and the mass market brand has a plane, but the mass market is even poorer than it was at the dawn of flight. No Honda Jet Airstrip in every gated subdivision.
mp_en_viaje: i managed to go through ten years of trilema during which i found myself forced to reference french, italian, german, even canadian songs.
mp_en_viaje: actually it is kinda funny ~only usian song subjects are either jaysus or else "Ashley. You 're a fuckin' bitch. You left me for a guy named Lance. Ashley. You 're really stupid. Cos I was saving up to take you to France. Yeah, I was gonna take you to France." variants
asciilifeform: it's 1 of those 'zaibatsu', was makin' samurai swords in 1700s, will be around in 2200s
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: honda makes errything from chainsaw to asciilifeform's old tub auto to steamer .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The novelty is in jets above wing and made by the folks who produce the "Honda supercub - most popular motor vehicle in history"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's so novel re the pictured machine ? my ride from bucharest to timis was in a tub that looked quite like this, only slightly larger
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Honda now makes and markets owner-operator jet with the motors mounted like in Star Trek. Notably absent are dorks wearing their fantsuits and lined up to buy them https://archive.is/SNaie
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in current era, it's a work that has all of the appeal of those safari tours where you shoot tame lion
BingoBoingo: The folks I knew who went pilot did the lessons. The one I talked to more was constantly stressed, because only so many of the folks taking lessons and flying prop planes from Murphysboro, Illinois to Pinckneyville, Illinois and back would get the opportunity for further instuction on flying things that would earn them a bunk and meals.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw i pictured 'guaranteed instruction!' as, you come to the class and 'guarantee' at least will get to play 'f19' for coupla hr
asciilifeform: ... one time there was a sort of show at the uni, 'rotc' corps brought some old (vietnam?) artillery pieces. i walk up to one , the cranks -- surprisingly -- oiled, start to aim it at uni admin bldg. sargeant : 'they forbid us from permitting audience to touch these! but pleeeez come to the base, you can play with it all you like! and wontcha consider to sign up ???'
BingoBoingo: Many of the mid-sized midwestern universitits have "aviation" courses for eating the ROTC folk's "guaranteed flight instruction" buxx
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i did not show up to where the spam asked, so do not know. but suspect that the whole orchestra is hard up for literate folx:
snsabot: Logged on 2017-11-30 18:04:55 asciilifeform: today jet man is more or less a programmer with uncommonly unpleasant working condition.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-11-30 18:15:59 a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 18:28 asciilifeform: gymnasts may not be perfect example. when you have a role where the training per se is costly, you're stuck picking. e.g., pilots; i recently read a quite interesting autobio, 'Обречены на подвиг' ('condemned to heroism', roughly) by su flying d00d / instructor / colonel. described how children having any physical imperfection, even tooth cavity, were mercilessly
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's reason to suspect that usa air corps dropped standards. even asciilifeform ( who was never remotely athlete, or otherwise suspected of qualifying for the work ) has , in dusty files from freshman yr of uni , paper spam from u.s. af, 'pleez consider sign up, guaranteed flight instruction!' etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in asciilifeform's extended meatwot, there's a fella who signed up for this. flew in iraq, today -- hobo
BingoBoingo: Well, the couple that I know who did the Air ROTC and get to piloting ended up flying fat freight planes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect deeper problem. somehow subj lost appeal in 'civilized' world... as a boy i dun think i met one single boy who did not at least on boy level wish he could become a jet pilot
BingoBoingo: When Germany sold cheap labor to US farmers in the 18th century they didn't send them cultured.
BingoBoingo: Because Germany kept the good Germans
asciilifeform: why is it then that luftwaffe had dozen songs, and usa started an' stopped with 'wing and prayer' circa 1942 ?
BingoBoingo: Gotta understand, US is largely German and misc. other serfs by mass. When the US needs a song to set to aviation footage they use Jesus stuff like Greenbaum's "Spirit In The Sky"
asciilifeform: in ru, '9000', and starring erry possible kind of flyer, from old man baron richthofen to 'somewhere far away is my native texas' fella above flying f4, to... whoever
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that there appear to be 0 popular songs/rhymes about flying in usa, such that would post-date ww2
asciilifeform: 'Вижу я как Эдвард с Бобом / Вдруг пошли встречаться с богом / Вижу ноль семнадцать на борту.' ( 'then i see, that Ed and Bob, went off to meet up with God, on the clock i see 0-17.' )
BingoBoingo: Sounds like as good of a reason as any to start pushing a "fighter of the future don't need guns" meme
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: f4 , going by period accounts, had the mega-'feature' where had several modes of spin that were 'unrecoverable' , i.e. if(spin) catapult_now !
BingoBoingo as child yet to see kindergarden had a favorite book. Included all sorts of aircraft. The only ones I remember with certainty were the SR-71, A-10, flying radar picket, and the loser F-4 that didn't even have a gun while pretending to be a fighter.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 09:24:30 mp_en_viaje: something was definitely amiss, there's no commercial path this way, but thia airliner spent a minute or so driving straight towards us.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927287 << Seems to support yesterday's end of aviation thread. Maybe by 2050 the 12 passenger cargo ship returns.
asciilifeform: (previously thing was pretty busy barfing raw sqlisms to 'nohup'...)
asciilifeform: btw the debug knob fix appears to speed up by 50% or so
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 13:09:14 thimbronion: BingoBoingo: here is a re-encrypted copy of the encrypted message you sent me earlier as evidence I have the private key: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Kkmtg/?raw=true
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pizarro/2019-08-11#1000032 << Fellow from earlier indeed appears to have his private key. When you get a chance to, please swing by #pizarro to see if you can help him debug his issue decrypting deedbot strings to !!v. ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al ^ and for anyone who is thinking of running mirrors !!
asciilifeform: currently set to disgorge max of 500 ln. in one pageload; but is adjustible.
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! logotron tree updated with 1) raw-line export knob 2) debug knob that actually turns off (prev. had mistake where it remained forever active)
asciilifeform: i'd like to fill up #a, #p
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plz post, when you have time, the converter you used
diana_coman goes to check if there's any Chec left for photos and all that jazz
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