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phf: that approach
to routing is also described in SCHEME81 paper
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly and i guess unhelpfully, i'm wondering if once specified as above, you don't also get a router for cheap (through implementing a sort of physics where routes attract each other and are repulsed by
things etc)
phf: right, you kind of run into
the fact
that you have
to have a set of CAD primitives underneath :/
phf: a bus is a
track (what i called route)
that's reused by multiple components , and if
track has coordinates for meanders and
thickness you're
there
phf: to make a pcb out of a netlist, at worst case you need w/h of component, x/y placement of component, a list of x/y coords for each route (to indicate
turns)? or
there's something
that i'm missing?
mircea_popescu: <phf> asciilifeform: in
the worst case is
there more required
than a w/h for each defcomponent, x/y for each make-instance component and (list (x y) ...) for eah make-instance route? <
phf: asciilifeform: going back
to my previous question
though
mircea_popescu: i mean... we pay $$$
to generate rng. how did
the computer generate 5mb
to pad what alf declares "minuscle" ?
mircea_popescu: what exactly is
the source of complexity in all
this ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 16:28 asciilifeform: oh in re: 'golden 1990s': i recently contemplated making a game-playing box
to 'unwind' with, and looked into where
to get a decent flying-joystick. and apparently
the best ones were made in 1990s, and
today sought after, and rare...
mircea_popescu: back
to
the much more interesting
thing of "minimal helping hand" :
trinque: you sink with
the littoral you have
mircea_popescu: alf fictitious world built out of alf confusing his habit with
teh werld.
mircea_popescu: anyway.
this whole "google finds
thing" is very much of
the nature of "i couldn't get dxf
to print ON ANYTHING svg conversion IS IMPOSSIBLE" etc.
trinque: whole world is doomed
to be rewritten.
phf: asciilifeform:
this goes back
to
the books
thread we had long
time ago. in-wot solution should exist and be up
to
tmsr standards. but if you're going
to search for books in irradiated library ruins you just have
to accept
that you have
to wear a hazmat and
that you might get raped by feral locals.
mircea_popescu: we're going
towards it, what with
the slowly growing log processing.
mircea_popescu: the point is - features do not appear
TO satisfy.
they appear BECAUSE we can.
trinque: there was a
thread on how
to approach
the search problem, awaiting some intrepid guy yet.
mircea_popescu: nobody wants anything.
the google i use will be l-distance based and
that's all.
phf: asciilifeform: in
the worst case is
there more required
than a w/h for each defcomponent, x/y for each make-instance component and (list (x y) ...) for eah make-instance route?
trinque: itt alf shouts
things we all know
mircea_popescu: i've long ago decided stuff isn't going
to be built
to satisfy you ; but over your hairpulling objections.
mircea_popescu: (conversely : search is a political
tool, nothing else. "i just want
to" jwz doesn't exist in practice)
mircea_popescu: stuff
that wasn't linked by anyone linked by anyone in l doesn't exist anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very possible dawg, just wot-index
the web.
phf: minimal helping hand is
the kind of stuff you would manually do
to an autorouted schematic, i.e. explicit xy placement for some of
the components. algo can simply unpin each component in order and see if autolayout still results in same placement, in which case
the explicit coordinate is unnecessary
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:18 asciilifeform:
then i suppose
the rot - continues. rotten, maggoty google is still
the closest
thing i know of
to working search engine for www...
phf: but notably colorforth CAD
that chuck moore wrote is all discrete units for
these very reasons (there's a writeup somewhere in
the CF pile)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 14:25 asciilifeform: discretized
the floats, round
the
thicknesses
to 2 places, etc
mircea_popescu: yeah,
turns out
they
tried
to do an "arab oil shock", didn't work out
mircea_popescu: sure
they were. from afghanistan
to vietnam, all
through.
pete_dushenski: it's branded as 'evil chinese opiod flooding in from kongkouver port' around here. so like reverse opium warz, ie. non-round eyes fiatolistas are profiting and
this is a Bad
Thing.
pete_dushenski: thus all
the fuss about fentanyl, which runs along
the lines of "it's so potent and so profitable and killing all our youfs!", behind which
the obvious inference is
that only
the state should be profiting and killing youths.
mats: white people have moved from enslaving a generation of chinese males with opium
to ...
mircea_popescu: at least back in
the day when it was called "british empire".
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not yet, will
take apart later. Perhaps it is
the mispellings, however funny. Illiteracy is popular among spamzors.