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mircea_popescu: i suspect most of dood's life happened inside his skull. because
that's
the proboem with "make it easy for beginnertards" : it NECESSARILY also makes it hard for naggums.
mircea_popescu: big part of problem was
that he was writing his stuff as email answers
to idiots
trinque: Naggum
the god vs naggum
the man
trinque: something very v-tronic in
there, separation between man and "the source code"
mircea_popescu: "had an article about exactly
this! here's 3 kinda related!"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:49 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say you must. "when you design for
the novice in
the sense of
trying
to lie
to
them about
their inferiority, you are stuck with
that lie and it gets ever more expensive
to maintain"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:35
trinque: why
the fuck can't I name and reuse "joins" in SQL ?
trinque: sad
that SQL
the horror squatted such useful space.
trinque: yes, I mentioned all
that.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:32 Framedragger: i'd actually like
to see a coherent and all-in-one-place SQL / RDBMS-as-a-general-model critique some
time. maybe it exists. usually it's mongodb hipsters complaining randomly, so i'd developed a (too-)generic "ignore 'em all" filter :p
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:27 mircea_popescu: and on
this model, you can expose all
the dbs directly.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: quick unrelated q: in phuctor, do
the phuctored debianized keys appear in /phuctored ? from what i recall and understand, all of
them are
there. and one wouldn't have
to look at /sadmods or /dupes - correct?
mircea_popescu: insert "you are an idiot!" 500x
times in five pages ? vim!
mircea_popescu: depends what you use it for. if you msotly use an editor
to create de novo
text, not good fit. if you mostly use editor
to adnotate other people's
text, very good fit.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so a) use vim ; b)
there's a humongo economy of strokes, at
the cost of muscle memory, if youy care. if you don't car,e go ahead.
jurov: next
time all will get into white-hot rage about ed? let's go buy popcorn
mircea_popescu: nono. on old sinclair, first you get
the "cursor" into
the right mode,
THEN you
type.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:31 jurov: since
the vim plugin is written in python, one needs
to be wizard in both py and lisp
to fix it
mircea_popescu: at
the
time it was, go
to serbia shoot muslims and have grateful sex with
the rescued hussies.
Framedragger: well, iac it's a shame no decent game controllers are available,
true
that :/
Framedragger: aite,
that's a chunk of money for sure, i'd've
thought it
to have been lower
than
that :(
Framedragger: i don't know how it is in
the .us and it's prolly *quite* a bit more complicated
than
that, also i had
the lucky chance of having a relative who'd invite
to fly with him and show me basic flight control stuff, but are you not able
to get lessons as a
total noob?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 11:01 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582453 << he makes an excellent point. sign up for a class, you get someone
to be
there with you who can actually fly
the
thing, and also get
to fuck with
the controls. best of both worlds, and it's very much in
the $50 for 5 minutes range, just gotta commit
to a few hours' worth.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: except you're not paying for
the full retail price of a harley, and you don't need
to
train for 10 years? :)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 06:14 davout: asciilifeform: why'd you want simming anyway? go
to your local airport and get a couple hours, flying is cheap in
the US
mircea_popescu: idiots keep giving new names
to "the god who'll give me manna"
trinque: idiot I worked for in Portland was always
talking about "untapped creativity" in re: end user programming
trinque: "I can create
this smart-guy
talisman and bless
The People with my disembodied smart."
trinque: seems a guy like guido has a particularly bad case of delusional narcissism,
too.
trinque: if
they're only measuring shit by volume,
they're going
to say great success.
mircea_popescu: possibly
the most amply researched stupid idea in
the history of human science ; "is
there life other
than on earth" didn't receive 1% of 1% of
the attention.
mircea_popescu: ? and
the corporation ? and government regulation ? and ?" "dude go fuck your mother."
mircea_popescu: kinda how
the entire modern insanity came about. "oh, people are more productive when
they
THINK
they're good, irrespective of how good
they are" "yeah, but
telling people who aren't good
that
they're good convincingly has a cost" "well, what if we
try and arbitrage
the delta-productivity from
the first against
the marginal-cost from 2nd ?!" "dude what" "no really, if we made all
the
tools really shitty ? and mass production
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say you must. "when you design for
the novice in
the sense of
trying
to lie
to
them about
their inferiority, you are stuck with
that lie and it gets ever more expensive
to maintain"
☟︎ trinque: when you
try
to design for
the novice, you must leave essential parts of
the problem out,
then hope
to hide it, inevitably failing.
trinque: the language was pulled in
the direction of "user interface" by some, "programming language" by others, ended up neither.
Framedragger: (there's lack of general flexibility, it's full of baked-in developer-choices so
to speak, etc.)
trinque: makes
traversing lots of relationships at once harder
to fit in head
trinque: and
this is given as a general whiff of endless haphazardness in SQL
trinque: Framedragger: my criticism is
that I specify what constitutes
the relationship between customers and addresses each
time I use
the relationship.
trinque: rather
than "select customers with addresses, ratings"
trinque: you make
the view customers_with_addresses_and_ratings
Framedragger: can materialized views use joins in
the way you want
to? i haven't looked into
them for some
time, so dunno.
trinque: you can create views, yes, but relationships aren't separate, defined
things you can invoke at will
trinque: why
the fuck can't I name and reuse "joins" in SQL ?
☟︎ trinque: Framedragger: I'll give you a morsel
to chew while I make coffee
Framedragger: trinque: right right, so you're
talking about SQL as a language, fair enough
mircea_popescu: Framedragger afaik
trinque is a great afficionado of
the whole "db everything"
trinque: Framedragger:
they are not equivalent
trinque: which brings me
to my next point: no fucking seams in
the internet db
thing.
Framedragger: i'd actually like
to see a coherent and all-in-one-place SQL / RDBMS-as-a-general-model critique some
time. maybe it exists. usually it's mongodb hipsters complaining randomly, so i'd developed a (too-)generic "ignore 'em all" filter :p
☟︎