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ninjashogun: I would very humbly suggest that in the long term it might be.
ninjashogun: ThickAsThieves, I understand this.
ThickAsThieves: like i said, you are comparing the wrong thing
ninjashogun: I mean as an analogy for a physical wallet with cash in it.
ninjashogun: ThickAsThieves, I'm not sure why bitcoin can't be for the masses. A wallet is an extremely close analogy with a physical wallet. The only major difference is the history. Isn't it?
ThickAsThieves: i also told them not to do anything i said
ThickAsThieves: i told her to buy FIG
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I guess I had a different market in mind, not the true bottom third of the Pyramid of society.
ThickAsThieves: i told her i wouldnt sell to them because theyd still need a wallet anyway
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, thank you for that link. I actually completely agree with it.
ThickAsThieves: yeah but can i just buy them with PayPal?
ThickAsThieves: i was like, dont you buy stuff online all the time?
ThickAsThieves: last night a couple asked me the easiest way to buy bitcoin, I said Coinbase, you just need to enter your checking account info, and the wife was all, I'm not putting my checking account info in some website!
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I've always heard that if you make things for idiots, you will always have a huge market, since most people don't use most technologies.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, link to "see mp's piece on why it is unwise to become embroiled in the making of products for idiots." ?? This is about the opposite of what I've always heard.
ninjashogun: benderp, sorry!! I was very interested in your response, just a bit delayed. I'm doing a few different things.
ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why more concept cars arent produced
ThickAsThieves: i always thought car design moved much too slowly
moiety: lol "inspired by a turtles skeleton" -- i have *always* thought of beautiful cars when viewing turtles
benderp: ninjashogun: if you can't be bothered to respond to private conversations that you start, I don't see why I should arse myself to respond to your PMs.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, ok. I'm not saying you'd need to pursue it. Just like I'm not saying you should build a shiny gui on a Unix utility and sell it to mac users for $49.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I was just thinking how mircea's current insights would imply that that is what you could actually sell to dumb users for a huge markup (e.g. $199), since they know what a leather wallet is and know that bitcoins are money. and that's it.
ThickAsThieves: i dunno how the fuck they can that a car
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: i might theoretically, at some point, make something that fits this description, but the current product has nothing to do with bitcoin or wallets
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, okay. I was talking about that USB thing that escrows your private key. I know you only said it was about private keys - but most users don't know what that is.
moiety: ThickAsThieves: i think you might be right but i feel only at a trinket level?
ThickAsThieves: but i doubt it
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: i think you have the wrong address. that'd be 'trezor' et al.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I thought that the signing thing was a natural step away from an offline wallet?
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: who said i was involved in making a bitcoin-related anything?
moiety: even more of a side note -- i think it's a real shame loosing the individuality and decorativeness of design :( cars is a good example!
ThickAsThieves: i'd add to the list too
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I missed your dollar shave example, what was it?
ThickAsThieves: i wont say it has much to do with servants
mircea_popescu: moiety i would say in present day considerations shoving the items is more of a concern
ThickAsThieves: oh i thought that was you talking
deadweasel: moiety: i think that's a good rule
moiety: ninjashogun: ok ok i clicked and i give up on any article that begins: "have you ever felt like......"
ninjashogun: benderp - it may have been a bad example. I mean if you survey the software that's specifically targeted at Mac users.
benderp: everyone i know who can afford a macintosh pays an accountant if they're not on salary, ninjashogun.
moiety: ok? i did see you linked that
ninjashogun: I linked to - http://jangosteve.com/post/380926251/no-one-knows-what-theyre-doing
ninjashogun: No, to an article. I didn't comment on it.
ninjashogun: moiety - hey man I just posted a link :-D
moiety: youre definately the loudest ninja i have ever met!
ninjashogun: davout - I don't necessarily call backwards compatibility "improving their OS". In fact, in many cases compatibility and objective improvement are at odds.
moiety: even i get what he means
ninjashogun: davout - that is true. I think Microsoft isn't selling that migration path though :)
Perlboy: Yeah, i know at least one bank that has moved to 100% Windows.
ninjashogun: davout - that's silly :) The term "technical debt" is an analogy, i.e. you get features now but at a commitment of future time. If that future time is not a real commitment, then there is no actual debt involved.
ninjashogun: davout - I don't think it's technical debt if it never needs to be fixed. Windows was never refactored onto a rock-hard Unix base with proven open technology stacks. Nor will it ever be. You can't call it debt if you're never going to do it.
moiety: i think its time to break out the alcohol or sanity pills or something
moiety: asciilifeform! i used gribbles lasers! they were required
ninjashogun: moiety I think windows is a fair example because everyone here knows hte obvious ways in which it sucks :)
ninjashogun: Look, I know that on some level what you say make sense. For example, on some level Windows is completely broken in every single conceivable way and has had the opposite of architects working on it for the past thirty years.
moiety: i totally agree with mike_c i think it would be a really interesting good thread ninjashogun go for it
ninjashogun: mike_c: I hope you're kidding?
ninjashogun: moiety - I've worked at government agencies. My God! The inefficiency. It was horrendous.
Perlboy: if i did such things in australia i'd start waiting for the black helicopters
Perlboy: mircea_popescu, ok, nice article though i'm glad there's someone like you able to push back
ninjashogun: benderp - maybe a few years ago I would have said that ;-)
ninjashogun: I'm not Icahn, there to criticize a $74B company (eBay) when he couldn't run a company any better.
ninjashogun: I thnk a bunch of companies "suck" and are "idiots". I hate paypal and wish it would die. But I don't actually SAY that, or actually SAY they're incompetent.
ninjashogun: moiety - fair enough. I should have been clear that I was being satirical, and not using my own definition of competent. I think basically 100% of people are competent at what they do.
ninjashogun: I was just responding to benderp's statement
benderp: i blame the incompetent teachers.
mircea_popescu: i would say this is the definitive example.
dexX7: i give luke much credit. he may be a troll (it's only what i heard several times), but his pool is remarkable for the different transaction policies and the only one to push non-standard stuff..
joecool: benkay: http://i.imgur.com/RFL8VHw.jpg
benkay: you'd probably know better than i.
BingoBoingo: benkay: What was his deal anyways. That's like the fifth person I've been accused of being this week.
mircea_popescu: i thought tiberius was a girl.
dexX7: i sent him a bait some weeks ago, but he didn't take it
dexX7: i'm still wondering, if jimmothy is on mpex' payroll
mircea_popescu: i'd read it.
praeconium: Bingo, I am really a bit more into talking with existing crowd.. :) but nice idea.
praeconium: Random Walk is there, I don't look into getting model right :) I just want to implement my ideas.
mircea_popescu: i am aware.
dexX7: there is a company that offers a quantitative model about btc (if that's the correct wording).. let me see, if i can find it
jborkl: btc-e has metatrader - I have not used it though
praeconium: I used rtbtc, but they used mtgox API
praeconium: I am not really a quant, I know some basics and have knowledge of finance.. not so complex, tbh
praeconium: I am mainly interested to see how they go about acquiring hist and realtime data since there is so much variety.
praeconium: Thanks guys, I already got goxed so that was enough for now :)
mircea_popescu: i guess that didn't work out then
mircea_popescu: i bought a little atc
praeconium: Do You trade other coins? I know I am not in right channel..
mircea_popescu: "Based on the toxic and self righteous writing style, i'm pretty sure it's him. He would never admit it though, as the account has always made fun of anyone calling it a man."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm kind of wondering why it isn't standard already. One's own face ought to offer better anatomical context at the range than those circles
mircea_popescu: i thought it was all about penile projection
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cheap led vga projectors are common now, i imagine very soon you'll be able to project your face on the target at your local target lane.
mircea_popescu: i been sayin'...
asciilifeform: so perhaps i'll teach the penal battalion.
BingoBoingo: I've always wondered why more marksmanship classes aren't taught with a mirrored target
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno if you've answered yet, but what are the plans for MP University? http://trilema.com/2014/fata-morgana-ii-or-dont-you-just-hate-it-when-you-come-up-with-an-idea-and-a-title-and-then-discover-you-need-an-introduction-which-keeps-swelling-so-eventually-youre-stuck-publishing-it-as-a-sta/
dexX7: "Why is Havelock Investments in the SEC's crosshairs? I made an account with them, but never bought anything. Should I be worried?" "Can you get in trouble for just a few mBTC?" ...
asciilifeform: i'm already signed up to be gassed at nsa, sec will have to wait in line.
nubbins`: "I heard that Leah McGrath Goodman is writing an article that proves that "Mircea Popescu" is in fact Erik Voorhees."
BingoBoingo: I thought that was related to http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/03/19/1218252/full-disclosure-security-list-suspended-indefinitely
nubbins`: i thought that was just the name of a miles davis song D: