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mircea_popescu: if you're even vaguely familiar with the victim it's pretty evident.
mats: is your joke-bit still flipped to 'off'
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone disputes that.
asciilifeform: from whence this 'presumption of innocence' for usg scum.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585879 << mats, lemme get this straight, i'm supposed to believe that obummer DIDN'T sign off on every round in that pistol? and exactly why? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the stakes are pretty high, us itself is trying to pivot to an ir middle east. doesn't look like they have enough non-retards in the whole foreign service to pull it off, but hey.
mats: stir the shit-pot real good, mebbe disrupt .ru-.tr-.ir talks
mats: i wonder what excitement is left in the days remaining to current potus
asciilifeform: yes but then martian shows up with yottahash or whatnot and you fork off. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: how you store the blockchain is your decision
asciilifeform: well theoretically it does violate the 'thou shalt neither add, nor subtract' thing
mircea_popescu: anywya, getting back to mats ' thing, i find it truly amazingthat the ustards actually have the unmitigated audacity to try and rhodesia turkey.
asciilifeform: it still isn't clear to me what'd be lost by considering, e.g., blocks that happened a proper, physical year ago, not-in-rom.
asciilifeform: and of what use it'd be then
asciilifeform: if 'any' block is theoretically subject to revision.
asciilifeform: at what point can one produce the rom ?
asciilifeform: incidentally, recall the blockchain-in-maskrom ?
mircea_popescu: except of course there isn't a lot of usfilm agit-footage about how checksum deterred bad white guy.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; checkpoint does exactly nothing to solve the problem. it is more in the same vein of feel good cure, like "mace" spray.
mircea_popescu: there's no requirement to show ~you~ have a safe heaven in order for something to be law
asciilifeform: (or rather, whether there can be such a thing as a mechanical test for 'am i in an alley')
mircea_popescu: that has ~nothing to do.\
asciilifeform: afaik it remains to be seen if the 'dark alley' can ever be ruled out.
mircea_popescu: just like woman who permits this deserves all the cum she gets.
mircea_popescu: there is no provision made to rescue the node that can be stuffed in dark alley
asciilifeform: and they WILL eat.
asciilifeform: so he picks today's, say. and so what if he needs entire year to come up with an orphanator for it. a year from now -- he can feed it to 'in a cave' victims.
mircea_popescu: race is to the swiftest ~and~ idiots must die.
asciilifeform: a mitmer has, theoretically, ~infinite~ time to munge any particular block of his choice
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/democrats-attempt-to-threatenbribe-electors-in-bid-to-stop-the-great-again/ << Qntra - Democrats Attempt To Threaten/Bribe Electors In Bid To Stop The Great Again
asciilifeform: the real question is whether any type of checkpointing is really a permanent pill against this.
asciilifeform: so it is not obvious that 'race -- to the swiftest' is correct answer, anyone who can stuff a node into a solipsist cave, can replay time and orphan early blocks, if there is nothing like 'checkpoint'.
asciilifeform: which remains as simple today as it ever was.
asciilifeform: btw the checkpoints were certainly not there against martians with infinitely fast miner, but against more elementary syncing-node-mitm.
asciilifeform: just as how the genesis is hardcoded.
mircea_popescu: this is true.
asciilifeform: well presently trb nodes ~aren't~ operating strictly on 'race to the swiftest', they have the ancient checkpoint thing.
mircea_popescu: yes, once said martians appear you can make the forced mistake of a or the force mistake of b.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 18:22 ben_vulpes: also god bless cpp, i want to know where "mapBlockIndex" is defined have to grep the fucking codebase
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585903 << you can also use ctags that comes with emacs. you do "ctags -e -R ." in the root of codebase, and then M-. will take you to the definition. (M-. first time will ask you for the tags file, which will be in the root of codebase) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: if your "choice" manifests itself only after they ask the question, it is improper to call it a choice.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'choice' in the sense of that you're stuck choosing how to operate a node.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 18:19 asciilifeform: it is not such a simple thing, ben_vulpes . you can choose which game to play, by some rules -- they own, by others -- they do not.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585887 << it is very wrong, on the level of braindage wrong, to imagine that there can be such a thing as an ex post facto choice. ☝︎
ben_vulpes off again, chiral train operation
mircea_popescu: this absolutely requires smarter guy on the usg side shot. and there will be some shooting. thing is there's not that many competent dudes on us side.
ben_vulpes: more frequently i just regenerate my tags file.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i too, on occasion.
ben_vulpes: not only is there state smattered everywhere but it's inscrutably altered by who even knows what when
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not that ; the guy was the architect of the dept of state's most recent and most embarassing failure.
ben_vulpes: also god bless cpp, i want to know where "mapBlockIndex" is defined have to grep the fucking codebase ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: sometimes 'grandfather's pistol' problem is complicated when it becomes evident that grandfather never actually shot anyone with his pistol
ben_vulpes: and the checkpoints are at the root of that by my read.
ben_vulpes: but that the thing won't lan-mine is abhorrent imho
ben_vulpes: perhaps, though, 'grandfathers pistols' problem rears its head here.
ben_vulpes: i do not see this 'win' as bugful.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 18:10 asciilifeform: using this ^ method, it was -- and remains -- possible to operate a useful node sans ethernet plug.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585867 << fyi i successfully used this method to get the node somewhere into 200k block height on a airgapped libretto by transferring blocks over rsr232/ZMODEM. couldn't get it any further because started getting weird memory issues, i suspect 1.6gb is not enough.. ☝︎
asciilifeform: current trb, by default, nails down the early (300k?) blox
ben_vulpes: aha tru
asciilifeform: well not per current trb!
BingoBoingo: Lesson of latest initial sync in progress, things that were milestone last time this year are but one further year of blocks away from completion
ben_vulpes: also this 'win' is baked into how the blockchain works.
ben_vulpes: what rules are these that they might not win?
asciilifeform: it is not such a simple thing, ben_vulpes . you can choose which game to play, by some rules -- they own, by others -- they do not. ☟︎
asciilifeform: iirc we had a thread with mircea_popescu , who remarked that it is not obviously wrong to 'let'em'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if martians produce longest chain with greatest difficulty i think by the rules of the game they own bitcoin ☟︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i disembark this train shortly, but yes lets
asciilifeform: say martians show up with magical comp that can orphan 2009 blocks
ben_vulpes: isn't that sanity check "show me a block with a higher diff and lineage back to the genesis block"?
asciilifeform: mats: lolnoshit, 'seekoority incident', the backstage folx who helped mr.pistolero do his thing, needed to cover their retreat
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have nfi why you and mod6 did not pick it for a release, can only answer for myself. yes, the hardcoded header checksums thing is ridiculous. but no, there is such a thing as a historic, immutable planet earth blockchain, and trb ought to include default-on sanity check of ~some~ kind for long-ago blocks.
asciilifeform: mats: usg certainly would not like anything like diplomacy to carry on between ru and tr
mats: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/19/europe/turkey-russian-ambassador-shot 'Russia's ambassador to Turkey assassinated in Ankara'
asciilifeform: using this ^ method, it was -- and remains -- possible to operate a useful node sans ethernet plug. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> yes but you're also experimenting with "interesting objects these people" and it's gonna get you in hot water with 'em. << See steps 8 and 9
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << the deterministic sync thing
mircea_popescu: how is this embarassing
ben_vulpes: embarassing as it is that i'm only now finding that trb doesn't solipsistically mine, i did determine that it validates the whole chain.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mine too
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: all of the blocks in my chain validate per trb. (at one time i suspected that they would not -- but they do.)
mircea_popescu: history-as is has some various peculiarities, such as this.
mircea_popescu: but the discussion wasn't that, it was "rewalk history" bla bla.
ben_vulpes: so there's no 'at block XXX use iAmRetardedBlockValidator'?
mircea_popescu: no, on the contrary, to retroactively orphan what were valid blocks at the time
asciilifeform: incidentally all of asciilifeform's public trb nodes descend from that one.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and the rules were changed to permit these busted transactions?
asciilifeform: i even had it eat a blockchain that mircea_popescu gave me, from some box he had, iirc, continuously ran since the old days
mircea_popescu: there were at least a dozen blocks including breaking txns. at the time.
mircea_popescu: blocks ~prior to that date~ ; not the current blockchain.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 14:30 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585556 << i dun get it, is it at any point unclear to reader how to get in contact with the coauthors?? there is a big, fat 'contact' button, that is not enough ??
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585568 << he means it's missing link to twitter and hackernews profiles :} ☝︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i did, several times
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 17:36 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes managed to fish it out. so : incorrect txn validation leading to improper coin generation was found on august 6th 2010 ; the fixing version is 0.3.10 (15 aug). because block validation rules change there, i'd expect all blocks prior to that date to not work in any sane eatatron.
asciilifeform: ntry’s banks with currency deposited by Venezuelans racing to get rid of the paper bills while also devastating Colombian-border currency traders he blames for the bolivar’s precipitous plunge in value against “the criminal dollar.”'
asciilifeform: elsewhere, in nearby monkeystans, https://archive.is/5Q1U8 >> 'Venezuela’s president said Sunday that the sudden decision to scrap the country’s most-used currency bill was an economic triumph over the country’s enemies even as the government sent troops and police to cities where riots and looting broke out over the measure. In a national radio and television broadcast, Nicolas Maduro said his abrupt action had flooded the cou
mircea_popescu: pretty dangerous thing to be in january 2017.
mircea_popescu: if /me worked for the us secret service, /me would be getting permanently lost in $farcountry just about last week.
mircea_popescu: experts also don't have the winner's keen incentive to get rid of the praetorian guard, and permanently.
asciilifeform: ohnoez, EXPERTS COULD NOT THINK!1111